NPC adding new council members--do you think it could/will happen?

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

I sure hope no one answers your questions. I don't think anyone is in a postion to close up shop at this point.

A true benefit of NPC membership for a up and coming GLO is protection from other NPC groups. This can be seen in the recent acquisitions of KBG chapters in the past few years. If KBG joined the NPC, that would never happen again. There are actually chapters of NPC groups that have been other NPC organizations. I have an eight edition of The Sorority Handbook and was surprised to see the number of Theta chapters that were previously Zeta chapters or Pi Phi chapters that were once Phi Mu chapters,etc. (I can't remember the exact interchange so don't quote me. I can look them up tonight.) With the UAs, this no longer happens. Once an NPC member chapter, there is no changing to another member organization. This would, hypothetically, protect KBGs investment in a chapter. As a non-member, they have no protections, as unfair as that may seem.

My biggest issue with the whole situation is that, whatever KBG's intentions, as there is no associate membership, or recognition by the NPC of up and coming national GLOs, their chapters continue to be 'fair game.' They could have 14 chapters and 18 months later have a chapter picked off by an NPC. It's disrespectful IMO on an organizational level.

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

My biggest issue with the whole situation is that, whatever KBG's intentions, as there is no associate membership, or recognition by the NPC of up and coming national GLOs, their chapters continue to be 'fair game.' They could have 14 chapters and 18 months later have a chapter picked off by an NPC. It's disrespectful IMO on an organizational level.

It is what it is. Unless the member groups agree to leave them alone, they'll have to keep a tight watch on their chapters. Without being a part of the UAs, they aren't protected by them. I don't agree with it either, but it doesn't matter what you or I think. If you look at it from AEPhiSierra's perspective, it's a Catch22. You join and never get another chapter since no CPC will pick such a small organization in an expansion environment over one of the other NPC groups with greater resources.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

It is what it is. Unless the member groups agree to leave them alone, they'll have to keep a tight watch on their chapters. Without being a part of the UAs, they aren't protected by them. I don't agree with it either, but it doesn't matter what you or I think. If you look at it from AEPhiSierra's perspective, it's a Catch22. You join and never get another chapter since no CPC will pick such a small organization in an expansion environment over one of the other NPC groups with greater resources.

Which is also dumb.

I'm not disagreeing it is what it is, but that doesn't mean it's not something that the NPC could change, either by offering associate membership or some sort of recognition. And I think it's a matter of respect for other organizations.

[Regina.George]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

My biggest issue with the whole situation is that, whatever KBG's intentions, as there is no associate membership, or recognition by the NPC of up and coming national GLOs, their chapters continue to be 'fair game.' They could have 14 chapters and 18 months later have a chapter picked off by an NPC. It's disrespectful IMO on an organizational level.

No one was "picking off" their chapters. They weren't properly caring for those chapters and the exasperated members eventually decided to look elsewhere. KBG didn't even have an operational web site for several years and their "new and improved" site is still incomplete. I'm going to say it: here's a history there of neglect and it isn't a matter of the poor little chapters being lured away by the big NPC national siren's song. I sincerely hope KBG has gotten their act together and can look forward to a thriving future, but they had some very dark days there. I don't want to see any Greek organization fail, but like with any relationship, you have to take care of your people.

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by Regina.George

No one was "picking off" their chapters. They weren't properly caring for those chapters and the exasperated members eventually decided to look elsewhere. KBG didn't even have an operational web site for several years and their "new and improved" site is still incomplete. I'm going to say it: here's a history there of neglect and it isn't a matter of the poor little chapters being lured away by the big NPC national siren's song. I sincerely hope KBG has gotten their act together and can look forward to a thriving future, but they had some very dark days there. I don't want to see any Greek organization fail, but like with any relationship, you have to take care of your people.

That is true...BUT, if they were a chapter of Pi Phi or AOII, they would be S.O.L. No other NPC could come in to rescue them and turn them into a new chapter of say Sigma Kappa or Phi Mu.

[Regina.George]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

That is true...BUT, if they were a chapter of Pi Phi or AOII, they would be S.O.L. No other NPC could come in to rescue them and turn them into a new chapter of say Sigma Kappa or Phi Mu.

Oh for sure, but an organization is not likely to get to the numbers and history required to join the NPC if they can't take care of and nurture the chapters they already have. (I mean that as a general statement for any group.)

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by Regina.George

No one was "picking off" their chapters. They weren't properly caring for those chapters and the exasperated members eventually decided to look elsewhere. KBG didn't even have an operational web site for several years and their "new and improved" site is still incomplete. I'm going to say it: here's a history there of neglect and it isn't a matter of the poor little chapters being lured away by the big NPC national siren's song. I sincerely hope KBG has gotten their act together and can look forward to a thriving future, but they had some very dark days there. I don't want to see any Greek organization fail, but like with any relationship, you have to take care of your people.

See this :

Originally Posted by Regina.George

It's always the fat uglies with horrible personality disorders who wouldn't stand a chance of getting a bid to even the lowest tier chapter at a competitive school who feel they are the expert on what Greek life should be.

This means you have zero respect in this conversation. None. So buhbye.

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

That is true...BUT, if they were a chapter of Pi Phi or AOII, they would be S.O.L. No other NPC could come in to rescue them and turn them into a new chapter of say Sigma Kappa or Phi Mu.

Exactly. I'm not saying chapters would never close, or go local, or even go local and later affiliate/be absorbed, but the incentive for active members to make that vote is removed. And ultimately the troll's point above doesn't matter. NPCs fail to take care of chapters well and lose them all the time. But they're shuttered, and given the opportunity to rebuild later. Other national chapters don't get that respect and I think it's something that should change.

[Regina.George]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

See this :


This means you have zero respect in this conversation. None. So buhbye.


Exactly. I'm not saying chapters would never close, or go local, or even go local and later affiliate/be absorbed, but the incentive for active members to make that vote is removed. And ultimately the troll's point above doesn't matter. NPCs fail to take care of chapters well and lose them all the time. But they're shuttered, and given the opportunity to rebuild later. Other national chapters don't get that respect and I think it's something that should change.

Yet Petunia continues to respond to me.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by psy

WTF?

Just a few posts after the one you responded to, sigmadiva, in response to IrishLake, made clear that she wasn't implying that NPC orgs have no history, tradition, legacy or place in the community.

Originally Posted by sigmadiva

Yeah, I know. I just did not know how else to describe it.

Hence, IrishLake's response to you -- sigmadiva had already addressed your concern.