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Originally Posted by 33girl
That's what I'm talking about. Bobby Beta should be able to invite his friend Eddie Engineering Major ... It's not necessarily a rush thing, just being able to invite people who aren't your brothers (and showing you can have a life/friends outside your org).
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I don't know of any fraternity or school where you couldn't invite that guy. It may cut into the number of girls you can invite is all. If there's some rule out there about only opposite sex guests, please send it to me so I can share it with some lawyer friends of mine.
You absolutely can have a life outside your org, which doesn't occur at org functions. Take your buddy to the bar with your brothers in tow. A lot of inter-fraternity relations happen that way too.
In the end though it should be limited. Not even really for insurance purposes. If I invite a guy from work out with my buddies, he better not expect we're going to pick up his bar tab. But you invite someone to a fraternity function and they just assume your stuff is their stuff. That's really not fair to the dues paying brothers. It's theft really. Rush invites are fine. A friend from out of town every now and then is ok. Some buddy here or there if chapter agrees to it. But, stuff like that shouldn't be habitual. It's just not fair. Plus, why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free.
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It depends what you consider "values based recruiting." Quite frankly, all those mission statements and taglines sound a lot alike anyway...I know we had a thread about this a while back. Basically: people join GLOs that have people they like in them. GLOs choose people they like to be in their organization. (as far as NIC and NPC, anyway) Until we stop rushing the way we do, that won't change - i.e. you're not going to pick the saint if no one can stand him/her. I mean if I would have rushed based on the philanthropy, there are other groups on campus that would have spoken to me more than mine did. I know you said your group still has a strong Christian focus, so you most likely have a far different perspective on this concept than most people do.
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I do mean a certain thing about my org when I say values based recruiting, cause the kid that already basically believes in our philosophy/mission is going to take to it more easily than the kid who we tell to throw out everything he believes and shape the rest of his life around what we're about to force him to learn. But that's a deeper level than what I was actually going for.
Regardless what an org is about, the members share more than clique factors that bind them together. It may be how high they value academics versus intramurals or what kind of people they hang out with or whatever, but there's some things that aren't immediately obvious, and that rush is probably the very worst place to figure out with any certainty, either for the PNM or the org.
Deferred does have the advantage that those folks are sitting on your campus waiting to be sought out, evaluated, befriended, recruited, and locked in well before sign-up for formal is ever announced. Traditional - I mean targeting those kids in high school over break is a lot harder to do, but is worthwhile if you have the resources/logistics.
I just think deferred is great in theory and very problematic in practice. As much as I want to like the concept, I can't see the situation where I'd propose it as policy on almost any campus.
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