States that don't have chapters

[dnall]

You people are completely silly.

"The way it's done here" is apparently to disregard entirely your own structure and treat the place as one mass jumble of unorganized and disconnected mostly meaningless comments. In order to post anything you want anywhere you want at any time you want, but to be hyper-sensitive at the slightest possibility some broad negative inference might be made toward any region, group, or person.

If someone new comes along - regardless of what skill, experience, or knowledge they may be able to contribute to the betterment of the community - if they are not prepared to humble themselves before your "way of doing things," then they are invited to find the door. What then is left behind? What possible value can exist in such a watered down conversation?

I've tried very hard to make peace with you people, and few of you have attempted to work with me at all. I then said we can agree to disagree, but you wouldn't accept that. Finally, I simply asked you get off my back, and you refuse that plea as well. I've made every effort I know how to put this disagreement aside in a reasonable way so that we might have amicable and productive conversations on other topics.

Class proceeds only so far before defense is obligatory. I'm going to end this conversation, because anything I could have to say beyond this point would not be nice. Please do not speak to me again.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by dnall

You people are completely silly.

"The way it's done here" is apparently to disregard entirely your own structure and treat the place as one mass jumble of unorganized and disconnected mostly meaningless comments. In order to post anything you want anywhere you want at any time you want, but to be hyper-sensitive at the slightest possibility some broad negative inference might be made toward any region, group, or person.

If someone new comes along - regardless of what skill, experience, or knowledge they may be able to contribute to the betterment of the community - if they are not prepared to humble themselves before your "way of doing things," then they are invited to find the door. What then is left behind? What possible value can exist in such a watered down conversation?

I've tried very hard to make peace with you people, and few of you have attempted to work with me at all. I then said we can agree to disagree, but you wouldn't accept that. Finally, I simply asked you get off my back, and you refuse that plea as well. I've made every effort I know how to put this disagreement aside in a reasonable way so that we might have amicable and productive conversations on other topics.

Class proceeds only so far before defense is obligatory. I'm going to end this conversation, because anything I could have to say beyond this point would not be nice. Please do not speak to me again.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by dnall

Class proceeds only so far before defense is obligatory. I'm going to end this conversation, because anything I could have to say beyond this point would not be nice. Please do not speak to me again.

This is you.

This is us


ETA: Fine I give pity. Look the only way to end the conversation is not to come back and click on it. If you go away and leave it be, we will too. But if you keep coming back, we're going to keep laughing at you. Welcome to the internet. It's what we do here.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by dnall

You people are completely silly.

Starting a post with "you people" doesn't bode well, since just by definition of posting here you are one of "you people."

Seriously, you made a good comment in a thread on NPC rush, and guys VERY often DON'T do that. (They're more likely to give advice that is completely unworkable) Just get your dick out of a twist about the forums thing and you'll be fine.

[AlphaFrog]

How did I miss this thread before?

Maybe because it was in the ATO section and I'm not allowed here. Sad panda.

Oh well, I'm part of the central US Greek system, and we suck anyway, so I guess I'll just go haze somebody and call it a day.

By the way, will someone Cliff Notes this guy's posts? I got bored with him and stopped reading after about the first sentence of each post.

[dnall]

Cliff notes? Sure, I'll do that myself.

The more entertaining but equally accurate real world version....

ATO active and connected ATO alum standing in a public place having a conversation about ATO. Kid says we're light on the west coast, why don't we expand aggressively in CA. Alum says no, because west coast greek systems suck.

Random people walking by, overhear, and barge into the conversation to defend their chapters. They 'instruct' the alum that he cannot make broad statements and can only speak for his org.

The alum, apologizes and attempts to clarify that it's conversation about ATO & not anyone else. We have our own reasons for the view, which are reflected in the historic and proportional geographic distribution of our chapters (we have 14 chapters/colonies west of TX, 130 from TX east).

The randoms refuse the apology and go on some rant about it being a public place they frequent so they're entitled to barge into any conversation they want at any time they want, everything is about them, and if anyone doesn't like it then they can get the hell out.

The alum does everything he can to make peace, including just trying to disengage, but the people just won't shut up about it. We're about at the point where, in the real world, someone would get knocked out.

Hope that's concise and entertaining enough for you.

[AlphaFrog]

You're right, of course...it is time to disengage and end this.

Fellow GCers, I am taking it upon myself, for the greater good of the community to apologize to Mr. dnall on behalf of all of us.

Mr. dnall,

It is with greatest sincerity that I say to you that we're sorry. We are sorry that you are so dense and your life must be extremely difficult as a result. We're sorry that in all likelihood, there are other unfortunate people that have had to deal with the thickness of your skull. But most of all, we're sorry that we've been the way we are for over ten years now, and refuse to bend down and kiss the ass of a new person to the community who decided that we should follow his rules.

Since we're using "real world" examples, how do you think it would go over if you showed up in the Middle East and started telling them that they should allow women to dress the way they want, stop persecuting Christians, oh and stop fighting over the Holy Land while they're at it. Not happening.

Have a great day!

Sincerely,
-AF and the GC Randoms

[dnall]

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

Since we're using "real world" examples, how do you think it would go over if you showed up in the Middle East and started telling them that they should allow women to dress the way they want, stop persecuting Christians, oh and stop fighting over the Holy Land while they're at it. Not happening.

You know that we do exactly that right? How they feel about it varies dramatically by location. We don't really care about it that much. It's more of a bargaining chip to give away for stability to promote economic interests. That's all the civil affairs guys playing local politics though. I just shoot at people in that part of the world.

As for the rest, I've already disengaged. I don't wish to discuss it further. Quit trying to run people off just because they don't want to play by what you want the rules to be.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by dnall

You know that we do exactly that right? How they feel about it varies dramatically by location. We don't really care about it that much. It's more of a bargaining chip to give away for stability to promote economic interests. That's all the civil affairs guys playing local politics though. I just shoot at people.

As for the rest, I've already disengaged. I don't wish to discuss it further. Quit trying to run people off just because they don't want to play by what you want the rules to be.

awwwww internet tough guy.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by dnall

As for the rest, I've already disengaged. I don't wish to discuss it further. Quit trying to run people off just because they don't want to play by what you want the rules to be.

That's obviously not the case, or this conversation would have ended on page 3.

And we'll continue posting as we see fit.

Welcome to GC

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by dnall

I'm going to end this conversation, because anything I could have to say beyond this point would not be nice. Please do not speak to me again.

And yet . . .

Originally Posted by dnall

Cliff notes? Sure, I'll do that myself.

I said I was done, too, but since you didn't end the conversation when you said you would (twice now), why should anyone else?

It's clear that you don't get it. The more accurate real life version would be this.

1. You made statements under the (not unreasonable for someone new here) assumption that the conversation in this thread was a more or less private conversation among ATOs.
   
2. Non-ATOs responded to your statements with requests that you speak only for your org.
   
3. You responded with surprise, because you (again, not unreasonably for somone new here) assumed it would be clear from the context (i.e., that this is the ATO forum) that you were speaking for your org only.
   
4. Others explained that your assumption does not accurately reflect the way conversations typically happen at GC.
   
5. You, while offering an apology that could be reasonably be read as a non-apology, proceeded to explain how that's a stupid way to do things and you don't buy into it. Things should work the way you think they should work.
   
6. Others responded either by (1) trying to say stupid or not, it's current reality and it is the explanation of why your initial statements drew responses that surprised and confused you, and/or by (2) telling you to get over yourself. Meanwhile, no one challenged you on the position you state for your fraternity.
   
7. You, rather than just letting it go or saying something along the lines of "well, that seems like a dumb and counterintuitive way for things to work, but at least it explains why I got the responses I did," instead pounded away on how it's wrong, and even brought in a fun hazing example.
   
8. Hilarity ensued.

Originally Posted by dnall

Quit trying to run people off just because they don't want to play by what you want the rules to be.

And here's the point you're totally missing: It's not about playing by the rules. Good or bad, right or wrong way to do things, It just is. It's the explanation for why you got the initial responses you did -- nothing more, nothing less.

And no one is trying to drive you off. Quite a few people have commented favorably on what you've had to say in posts elsewhere. But there's an almost universal reality that lectures from the new guy on how everyone else is doing things all wrong rarely win people over.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by dnall

We're about at the point where, in the real world, someone would get knocked out.

Probably you, internet tough guy. The rest of us aren't so blinded by our rage that we say idiotic things like "someone would get knocked out."