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[Low C Sharp]

The problem arises when they're only given 2 "good" options (UT + A+M). Even though there are several top schools in the state who would love to attract these students, many top-performing students end up leaving the state in order to get into "real" schools.

This is my perception as well -- some percentage of the high school population really wants to go to a flagship, period. They'd rather go to OU, LSU, or one of their peers than what they see as a non-flagship or second-choice Texas school.

James Madison and Mary Washington were all single-sex

Yes -- but they are named after important people rather than along the lines of Mississippi University for Women. That's what I like. Texas also has Stephen F. Austin and Sam Houston, which are "directional" schools in terms of the role they serve within the state but have their own brand names. George Mason Law School, for example, has in my view had an easier time branding itself than it would have if the university were still called the Northern Virginia University Center.
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[33girl]

Originally Posted by Low C Sharp

Yes -- but they are named after important people rather than along the lines of Mississippi University for Women. That's what I like. Texas also has Stephen F. Austin and Sam Houston, which are "directional" schools in terms of the role they serve within the state but have their own brand names. George Mason Law School, for example, has in my view had an easier time branding itself than it would have if the university were still called the Northern Virginia University Center.

This would only work in many places if the people the schools were (re)named after had been dead for a very very very long time, and I'm sure even in those cases there would be fights over it.

One of the SSHE presidents wanted to change the name of his school to Prominent Donor U (Prominent Donor has prominently donated to multiple schools in the area, not just this one, and he's NOT an alumnus of this school) and to say it didn't go over well is an understatement. SSHE schools are former teachers college and all follow the naming convention Townname University of PA. There's really no way to change one without the dominoes falling one by one and all of them changing, and I shudder to think what some of the names would end up being.

[Lafayette79]

Originally Posted by 33girl

SSHE schools are former teachers college and all follow the naming convention Townname University of PA. There's really no way to change one without the dominoes falling one by one and all of them changing, and I shudder to think what some of the names would end up being.

It would be tragic to loose Slippery Rock University.

[Munchkin03]

Originally Posted by Lafayette79

It would be tragic to loose Slippery Rock University.

...or would it be tragic to LOSE Slippery Rock University?

College! Not just for smart kids anymore!

[Barbie's_Rush]

Originally Posted by Munchkin03

...or would it be tragic to LOSE Slippery Rock University?

College! Not just for smart kids anymore!

I don't know about you, but I'd never expect a slippery rock to be anything but loose. *wink*

[Lafayette79]

Originally Posted by Munchkin03

...or would it be tragic to LOSE Slippery Rock University?

College! Not just for smart kids anymore!

For my penance, I have added part of SWTXBelle's signature to mine until Spring arrives.

[dnall]

Originally Posted by Low C Sharp

...some percentage of the high school population really wants to go to a flagship, period. They'd rather go to OU, LSU, or one of their peers than what they see as a non-flagship or second-choice Texas school.

I would absolutely agree with that.

Because of the 10% rule we're changing who goes to our flagships. Where kids with lesser grades would have followed their parents to one of the flagships and ended up with a respected degree, now they don't have that option. So, a lot of them have to go our of state or settle for a second tier school. The responsible ones end up out of state and the left overs end up at places like my alma mater - which is I think an improvement over when I was there and I think half the student body seemed like they had previously failed out of UT or A&M.

That reshaping of the student body at the two primary schools has also pushed a few top-10% grads out of state for other reasons as well. There's some perception that it's just not the same. I can't say if they're also taking a lot more out-of-state students, but if you've been to Austin lately, it seems like Californians took the place over. There's a more significant chunk of students from there then I've seen before.

As far DFW, I think TCU & SMU cover the flagship role there. I know they're VERY expensive privates, with UTA & UTD picking up the slack but very far down the list.

I don't classify UNT as part of DFW, but I do think they can be an emerging institution. They are head of their own univ-system with a lot of freedom. If they'd could fix their football program they might get a little more respect.

It's the same situation in Houston with Rice versus UH (and HBU floating around unnoticed).

I think though if you're looking for flagships in major metro areas, that tends to not work as well. They're best in small to medium sized towns where they have more influence and regional draw.