Recruitment Advice - Transfer

[Alumiyum]

Originally Posted by SwingPhiSwinggg

The sororities I'm interested in say that to join you can't be in a NPC or a NPHC or a local sorority.

SPS says that you can't be in another social fellowship to JOIN

so I'm in the clear because I already joined SPS and SPS isn't NPC or NPHC or local

I understand that's how it is worded, but you need to double check. IMO it's odd that you can't join if you're in a social sorority, but that you can join a social sorority after joining SPS (per your interpretation). I understand that you can still go through NPC recruitment, but isn't it worth double checking to make sure you don't negatively effect your SPS membership or step on toes?

Here's the deal. If you are wrong and did go through NPC recruitment, sororities might not be impressed that you're using loopholes. IMO you should ask someone who knows the rules backwards and forwards before you go through recruitment. If a knowledgeable member of SPS says you're correct about the rules, go for it and good luck. IMO (assuming you're in the clear) the only way in which that would effect your NPC recruitment would be if you were trying to be highly active member of two organizations as that could (and probably would) turn into a time issue. Do not take the "nontheirbusiness" attitude about SPS. That implies that you're hiding something or have a reason to hide something, which you shouldn't and don't. Speaking for myself I would find SPS membership to be a positive in a PNM.

[Senusret I]

Originally Posted by Alumiyum

I understand that's how it is worded, but you need to double check. IMO it's odd that you can't join if you're in a social sorority, but that you can join a social sorority after joining SPS (per your interpretation). I understand that you can still go through NPC recruitment, but isn't it worth double checking to make sure you don't negatively effect your SPS membership or step on toes?

Here's the deal. If you are wrong and did go through NPC recruitment, sororities might not be impressed that you're using loopholes. IMO you should ask someone who knows the rules backwards and forwards before you go through recruitment. If a knowledgeable member of SPS says you're correct about the rules, go for it and good luck. IMO (assuming you're in the clear) the only way in which that would effect your NPC recruitment would be if you were trying to be highly active member of two organizations as that could (and probably would) turn into a time issue. Do not take the "nontheirbusiness" attitude about SPS. That implies that you're hiding something or have a reason to hide something, which you shouldn't and don't. Speaking for myself I would find SPS membership to be a positive in a PNM.

I agree with everything you said up until the last line.

It seems to me that younger members of Groove Phi Groove, Swing Phi Swing, and other fraternal or sororal organizations (which may or may not have Greek letters but have Greek traditions) want their orgs to be oriented to open-membership. In other words, they feel that dual membership is okay because they are so different.

Older members of the same organizations (rightfully) view their organizations as alternatives to the existing systems. This is why you can't be a member of an NPC or NPHC before joining them. I think the spirit of the rule is that it's not intended to be open for dual membership.

It's possible that the orgs also take the attitude of "You can do what you want with your life, we don't like it but we can't stop you." Which honestly, to me, seems to be in line with the 1960s and 1970s era values that these orgs carry, as opposed to the more conservative values of the early part of the 20th century which other predominately black orgs have.

Feelings as I do, this is why I would not vote favorably on a Groove Phi Groove who later came to Alpha for membership. They are similar enough to be mutually exclusive, and different enough for GPhiG to be considered an alternative.

[Alumiyum]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

I agree with everything you said up until the last line.

It seems to me that younger members of Groove Phi Groove, Swing Phi Swing, and other fraternal or sororal organizations (which may or may not have Greek letters but have Greek traditions) want their orgs to be oriented to open-membership. In other words, they feel that dual membership is okay because they are so different.

Older members of the same organizations (rightfully) view their organizations as alternatives to the existing systems. This is why you can't be a member of an NPC or NPHC before joining them. I think the spirit of the rule is that it's not intended to be open for dual membership.

It's possible that the orgs also take the attitude of "You can do what you want with your life, we don't like it but we can't stop you." Which honestly, to me, seems to be in line with the 1960s and 1970s era values that these orgs carry, as opposed to the more conservative values of the early part of the 20th century which other predominately black orgs have.

Feelings as I do, this is why I would not vote favorably on a Groove Phi Groove who later came to Alpha for membership. They are similar enough to be mutually exclusive, and different enough for GPhiG to be considered an alternative.

Makes sense. I guess speaking as an NPCer who knows only a little about either organization, that didn't occur to me prior to your post. But then, that's why I say "speaking for myself" because I'm sure there are NPCers out there who are more knowledgeable than I and would see it the same way you do.

[Senusret I]

Agreed. We can only speak for ourselves in the first place, so it's all good.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Imagine living your life relegated to Swing for sorority membership, regardless of whether you became a Swing in college or alumnae (funny).

God bless them for what they do in the community, though.

A++ Would read again.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

Feelings as I do, this is why I would not vote favorably on a Groove Phi Groove who later came to Alpha for membership. They are similar enough to be mutually exclusive, and different enough for GPhiG to be considered an alternative.

This is it right here.

If you're in a service fraternity or sorority with nonselective membership, that's one thing.

If you're in a fraternity or sorority that has a NPC or NIC or NPHC style rush process, only gives out bids to selected people and says (as SPS does) that membership in another SOCIAL group (i.e. SPS straight up is calling themselves a social group, NOT a service group) then no - no double dipping.

(These comments don't apply to only SPS and GPhiG incidentally...at some campi there are service fraternities or sororities that act like social groups, and I don't agree with double dipping there either.)

[Barbie's_Rush]

The other thing is the information on their site is intended for prospective members. There's nothing there that discusses the requirements and expectations for continuing membership. So unless anyone has their official rules/bylaws/whatever they use in hand, I don't think we can say that this issue isn't specifically addressed in a private fashion.