hello everyone

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by DubaiSis

This is why people started the jokes right away. Your question was far and away too vague. The jackets, as far as I know, are just the NPHC sororities, but if you're asking about sororities, I'd think you mean the historically white sororities, because that's my reality.

Her question wasn't vague at all -- context shouts NPHC, or at least non-NPC sororities.

The problem isn't that the question was vague. The problem was that she has a lot more important things to be researching than what the numbers on line jackets mean. And the other problem is that, based on what NPHCers have said over and over, this isn't the place to be doing that research. That's why the jokes started.

[DrPhil]

Yeah people who are interested in NPC and NIC tend not to ask about line jackets. That's usually one of the first things a superclueless NPHC/MCGLO/LGLO interest asks.

[AlphaFrog]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

That topic again?

NPCs are often called "historically white sororities" in the same manner that NPHC sororities are often called "historically Black sororities."

Some people will like it and others will not.

It's not the same manner....the NPHC are and choose to identify themselves that way. Not so with NPC.

Besides, I expect this kind of stuff coming from you, but not from her. NPCers should be trying NOT to identify this way.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

It's not the same manner....the NPHC are and choose to identify themselves that way. Not so with NPC.

Choice or chance, still "historically white sororities."

[rhoyaltempest]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Some of you all can be so condescending in refusing to answer questions.

naomi19, the numbers on the back of the jackets and shirts are a tracking device that some sororities and fraternities use to track members. They also use cards with membership numbers and are moving toward tattoos behind members' ears or chips inside their shoulders. This is also how they know which members are hazing and should be placed on disciplinary action.

Since you will become a member post-2010, you will likely have a chip on your shoulder.

I am soooo through with you.

[rhoyaltempest]

Originally Posted by DubaiSis

Naomi, all kidding aside, you have some serious research to do. If you are already in college, start by looking at your school's Greek website. If you are still in high school, you might check out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationa...llenic_Council for a little info on the traditionally black sororities, http://www.npcwomen.org/ for the traditionally white sororities, or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultura...and_sororities for a mixed bag of other, including Asian, Hispanic, Gay & Lesbian, etc.
And then there's the service and professional fraternities...

This is why people started the jokes right away. Your question was far and away too vague. The jackets, as far as I know, are just the NPHC sororities, but if you're asking about sororities, I'd think you mean the historically white sororities, because that's my reality. When you have a smidge more information, come back and then maybe we can help you, but remember, all of these are secret societies so there is a lot of stuff we can't/won't divulge or explain.

We are not secret societies. Why do we keep saying this?

[rhoyaltempest]

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

It's not the same manner....the NPHC are and choose to identify themselves that way. Not so with NPC.

Besides, I expect this kind of stuff coming from you, but not from her. NPCers should be trying NOT to identify this way.

So the NPC are not historically white? Just trying to understand why this is such an issue. For example, I personally don't like being called a "Black Greek" but I know that some people say this and mean it as short for "member of a Black Greek Letter Organization" or even "Black member of a Greek Letter Organization." Either way, even though I don't like it, I can't change the fact that it's true.

[AlphaFrog]

Originally Posted by rhoyaltempest

So the NPC are not historically white? Just trying to understand why this is such an issue. For example, I personally don't like being called a "Black Greek" but I know that some people say this and mean it as short for "member of a Black Greek Letter Organization" or even "Black member of a Greek Letter Organization." Either way, even though I don't like it, I can't change the fact that it's true.

Just because it's historically accurate, doesn't make it an appropriate label, ESPECIALLY for a member to use. Many of y'all would throw fits if someone referred to an African American as a Historically Enslaved Person, even though it's historically accurate.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

Many of y'all would throw fits if someone referred to an African American as a Historically Enslaved Person

Dumb attempt at an analogy but there are instances where African Americans are called historically enslaved populations; and in some literature sentences sometimes begin with "historically enslaved populations."

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

Just because it's historically accurate, doesn't make it an appropriate label, ESPECIALLY for a member to use. Many of y'all would throw fits if someone referred to an African American as a Historically Enslaved Person, even though it's historically accurate.

No.

I've never been enslaved, so that term would be inappropriate.

The majority of the NIC and NPC organizations are predominately AND historically white, though.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

No.

I've never been enslaved, so that term would be inappropriate.

"Historically."

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

The majority of the NIC and NPC organizations are predominately AND historically white, though.

To AlphaFrog's credit, Dubai's post was random and her reference to historically white sororities was true but she could've said "NPC" for the topic. At the same time, we could be typing about apples and orange juice and NPHC orgs would still often be called "historically Black sororities and fraternities" and most people would not care either way.

[rhoyaltempest]

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

Just because it's historically accurate, doesn't make it an appropriate label, ESPECIALLY for a member to use. Many of y'all would throw fits if someone referred to an African American as a Historically Enslaved Person, even though it's historically accurate.

WOW. You "tried" to go there all because you don't want your org to be called historically white? Really? You might want to explore why. I'm serious.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

"Historically."

I know what she was trying to say. "African Americans" could be historically enslaved. "knight_shadow" cannot.

To AlphaFrog's credit, Dubai's post was random and her reference to historically white sororities was true but she could've said "NPC" for the topic. At the same time, we could be typing about apples and orange juice and NPHC orgs would still often be called "historically Black sororities and fraternities" and most people would not care either way.

Right.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by rhoyaltempest

You might want to explore why.

White privilege.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

I know what she was trying to say. "African Americans" could be historically enslaved. "knight_shadow" cannot.

LOL. There I go trying to give AlphaFrog the benefit of the doubt. I have no idea why. LOL.