Feds to file lawsuit over Arizona immigration law

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by Kevin

My understanding is that the law requires that the suspect has already been detained for some other offense.

Yes, and the creators of that law specifically listed violations to target poor Hispanics. (See above.)

Also the police have a well documented history of racial profiling anyway.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

Yes, and the creators of that law specifically listed violations to target poor Hispanics. (See above.)

All of those things are probable cause. You can't ask that police simply ignore reasonably obvious signs that a crime is being committed. Whether the things held up by the creators of the law would hold up in a court of law to a judge is also a different matter. Really, what the creators thought is pretty irrelevant when you get right down to it.

Also the police have a well documented history of racial profiling anyway.

And if you can show that's what happen, you have a civil rights suit. The mere threat of racial profiling is not enough to overturn a law.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by Kevin

All of those things are probable cause. You can't ask that police simply ignore reasonably obvious signs that a crime is being committed. Whether the things held up by the creators of the law would hold up in a court of law to a judge is also a different matter. Really, what the creators thought is pretty irrelevant when you get right down to it.



And if you can show that's what happen, you have a civil rights suit. The mere threat of racial profiling is not enough to overturn a law.

That's not what the law's being challenged on, legally, so you can stop making that point.

And when we're talking about the intent behind the law, we're not talking about what would hold up in front of a judge. We're talking about racist, asshat, lawmakers and lobbyists targeting Hispanics in campaign based on fear and prejudice to make political hay by "making a stand" on illegal immigration. All of which serve to do nothing to actually solve the problem, but it sure sounds good to all those people who are now afraid, "fed-up" and convinced that if it weren't for those immigrants they'd all have jobs and McMansions.

I don't have to drag the law in front of the Supreme Court to say it's a bad law. It's pretty obvious it's a bad law. Even if the federal government lost its case (which I sincerely doubt it will), it'd still be a bad law.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

That's not what the law's being challenged on, legally, so you can stop making that point.

And when we're talking about the intent behind the law, we're not talking about what would hold up in front of a judge. We're talking about racist, asshat, lawmakers and lobbyists targeting Hispanics in campaign based on fear and prejudice to make political hay by "making a stand" on illegal immigration. All of which serve to do nothing to actually solve the problem, but it sure sounds good to all those people who are now afraid, "fed-up" and convinced that if it weren't for those immigrants they'd all have jobs and McMansions.

I don't have to drag the law in front of the Supreme Court to say it's a bad law. It's pretty obvious it's a bad law. Even if the federal government lost its case (which I sincerely doubt it will), it'd still be a bad law.

This is starting to sound like a rerun from yesterday.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

This is starting to sound like a rerun from yesterday.

We derail down the same road every day. People need to keep up with the conversation

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

That's not what the law's being challenged on, legally, so you can stop making that point.

I know what grounds the law is being challenged on. I believe the potential for discrimination is one of those grounds, but it is not a ground upon which the TRO was issued.

It's not ripe for litigation yet at any rate.

The law will more than likely be struck down for various reasons. The argument that the preemption argument is pretty tough to overcome, but not insurmountable. The smart money is on the feds, but not too many people have called this a sure thing just yet.