The NPHC 21st Century and Beyond.

[Drolefille]

/swerve

I had no idea SGRho began as a teacher's sorority. No idea how I missed that over the years, but I just wanted to say I thought it was cool!

/swerve

[rhoyaltempest]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

/swerve

I had no idea SGRho began as a teacher's sorority. No idea how I missed that over the years, but I just wanted to say I thought it was cool!

/swerve

Yes, from 1922-1925, teachers and aspiring teachers only were eligible to pursue membership in Sigma Gamma Rho.

[rhoyaltempest]

Originally Posted by CentaurDB

What up? I used to kick it wit a Rho a couple years ago.

We're cool as long as you don't call me a Rho. Where are you from? (we don't play that in the Northeast and internally we don't play that much at all in the sorority). Sigma or SGRho is preferred please. To my seasoned sorors "dems fightin' words" (just got back from boule).

[Senusret I]

^^^ I didn't see this thread until now, and it's not like there are many NPHC fraters on this site who are worth a damn.

At any rate.....for my org....

1) I like things the way they are.

2) I am in favor of honorary membership for men who are 65+ who have excelled significantly in their careers without a Bachelor's but with an interest in the work of the fraternity. (Lou Gosset Jr. would be such a person) However, we do not currently have honorary membership.

3) Men with less education than a Bachelor's have always been eligible for Freemasonry and other similar service-based organizations, so I don't think they are missing out.

4) I would like to see Alpha at less schools. Not every brick and mortar school with an Alpha chapter needs to have one. I'm sorry, I have been called elitist for that sentiment, but I'll be dat.

[BluPhire]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

^^^ I didn't see this thread until now, and it's not like there are many NPHC fraters on this site who are worth a damn.

I can one up that and expand it outside of GC. That's the reason I made the comment. I've always noticed when having conversations like this especially when dealing with traditions (especially in the black community) our women step up.


But that's another topic for another day.

[MasTNX]

Sigma Gamma Rho at Devry Kansas City Campus


Zeta Phi Beta, Phi Beta Sigma and Kappa Alpha Psi at Devry Atlanta Campus


I have no way of knowing if these are city-wide chapters that allow Devry students to join. However, Devry lists them on their website.

[DrPhil]

I doubt that those are actual chapters for the aforementioned reasons.

ETA: I must make an addendum to my very first post since NPHC orgs do accept people from these nontraditional degree programs. I shall say that I don't agree with this and my opinion only matters when it comes to Delta. Great.

[BluPhire]

Yeah the DeVry chapter for PBS does exist.

Rho Alpha - chartered in 1987.

I'm sure that may have been controversial at the time. Don't know can only speculate.

@DrPhil, your opinion also matters to me because it brings up very differing points of views for consideration. Anybody that gets bent out of shape over that needs to blame me for creating the topic.

[tld221]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

No. In this day and age, people have access to college more than ever before. It's enough that some honorary members (for the orgs that still allow honoraries) don't have college degrees.

I also pray that we never allow collegiates from online schools like University of Phoenix even if they had some classes in a classroom; and never allow alumnae/alumni/graduate members with an online bachelors degree from online schools like University of Phoenix. That's not to be confused with colleges and universities that have online courses, hybrid course, and online degree components.

We aren't limiting ourselves by not considering those without 4 year degrees and we aren't starving for members.

Originally Posted by DrPhil

SGRho rocks. I guess the Philos who wish to be SGRhos must go through the proper channels to do so.

True, we do rock, for this and other reasons. I really like that we offer an option for non-college-educated women to participate in sisterhood and service. Everyone can be great because everyone can serve, right? It's very clear though, that membership (in SGRho) has its privileges, so if you want it, you know how to pursue it. Higher education isn't a priority for everyone, but know that re: SGRho membership for women who feel that way isn't a priority for us.

Originally Posted by MasTNX

I could be wrong, but I believe I saw that some NPHC orgs have chapters at DeVry. What's your opinion on this? In my experience, the non-traditional university and community college have a lot in common.

Originally Posted by Senusret I

4) I would like to see Alpha at less schools. Not every brick and mortar school with an Alpha chapter needs to have one. I'm sorry, I have been called elitist for that sentiment, but I'll be dat.

Right - i feel like when you make a choice to attend a non-traditional university or community college (including online programs like University of Phoenix, or those schools like Everest and Anthem - what are those called? Trade school, like Devry, TCI or Apex?), you give up (some) rights to traditional aspects of college. What, you want to live in a dorm too? Sign up for a meal plan? By attending these types of schools, to me, says you are willingly sacrificing access to privileges like joining a GLO.

If you decide, however, that you'd like to further your education onto a 4 year traditional college/university, do that for the sake of furthering education, not because XYZ is there.

and to Sen, yeah... love expansion and all, but there are some schools Sigma doesn't need to be. That's not a jab at particular schools, but at the culture the school fosters. Ideally, its survival of the fittest: we're all on our campuses as guests, and in confidence that we can excel as chapters and organizations at these respective schools. I think its realistic to say that Sigma isn't the best fit for every institution. I'd even venture to say that we all have chapters that don't do so hot and need some TLC in being bigger, better and stronger, otherwise should get the boot.

[rhoyaltempest]

Originally Posted by tld221

True, we do rock, for this and other reasons. I really like that we offer an option for non-college-educated women to participate in sisterhood and service. Everyone can be great because everyone can serve, right? It's very clear though, that membership (in SGRho) has its privileges, so if you want it, you know how to pursue it. Higher education isn't a priority for everyone, but know that re: SGRho membership for women who feel that way isn't a priority for us.





Right - i feel like when you make a choice to attend a non-traditional university or community college (including online programs like University of Phoenix, or those schools like Everest and Anthem - what are those called? Trade school, like Devry, TCI or Apex?), you give up (some) rights to traditional aspects of college. What, you want to live in a dorm too? Sign up for a meal plan? By attending these types of schools, to me, says you are willingly sacrificing access to privileges like joining a GLO.

If you decide, however, that you'd like to further your education onto a 4 year traditional college/university, do that for the sake of furthering education, not because XYZ is there.

and to Sen, yeah... love expansion and all, but there are some schools Sigma doesn't need to be. That's not a jab at particular schools, but at the culture the school fosters. Ideally, its survival of the fittest: we're all on our campuses as guests, and in confidence that we can excel as chapters and organizations at these respective schools. I think its realistic to say that Sigma isn't the best fit for every institution. I'd even venture to say that we all have chapters that don't do so hot and need some TLC in being bigger, better and stronger, otherwise should get the boot.

The same can be said of those that are inducted into our alumnae chapters after graduating from undergrad. Why shouldn't someone who achieved their Bachelor's degree online from an accredited institution and program not be able to pursue membership in our organizations on the the alumnae level (and this probably already occurs)? I am only speaking about alumnae membership. And again, I don't think we can do anything about this rightfully since these persons have achieved their Bachelor's degree, online or otherwise.

And on a different note, did you go to Boule?

[tld221]

Originally Posted by rhoyaltempest

The same can be said of those that are inducted into our alumnae chapters after graduating from undergrad. Why shouldn't someone who achieved their Bachelor's degree online from an accredited institution and program not be able to pursue membership in our organizations on the the alumnae level (and this probably already occurs)? I am only speaking about alumnae membership. And again, I don't think we can do anything about this rightfully since these persons have achieved their Bachelor's degree, online or otherwise.

And on a different note, did you go to Boule?

If i understand you correctly, I never said (or meant to insinuate) that women pursuing membership on the alumnae level shouldnt be able to if they got their UG degree from such institutions. I was looking at it from a purely undergraduate perspective, actually.

However, if someone DID pursue my alumnae chapter in this scenario, the question (from me) wouldnt be "why didn't you pursue us in UG?" because it would be (likely) obvious that membership wasn't an option (or not a priority) at that time.

Which, IN THIS CASE, i would be OK with, because again, IMO, if you are pursuing higher education through these nontraditional routes (community college, trade school, online) then your pursuit of higher education (and circumstances) are probably non-traditional (ie. working full time, an older students, have children, can't afford the time/money to attend an institution that affords the privilege and access to pursing our membership).

If there are reasons outside those above, well then you forfeit your right (on the undergraduate level). Besides, a candidate is more than their GPA and what type of school they attended (on the graduate level, at least), so i wouldn't get uber hung up on it.

No, I didn't attend Boule, but heard it was good times. Saving my pennies for 2012 - I need to stop frontin, i'll have been 7 years in by then. No excuses!

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by BluPhire

Yeah the DeVry chapter for PBS does exist.

Rho Alpha - chartered in 1987.

I'm sure that may have been controversial at the time. Don't know can only speculate.

Thanks for the info. There are probably Sigmas who still disagree with that decision and choose to ignore (or honestly forget) Rho Alpha's existence.

Originally Posted by BluPhire

@DrPhil, your opinion also matters to me because it brings up very differing points of views for consideration. Anybody that gets bent out of shape over that needs to blame me for creating the topic.

There will always be changes that people disagree with. Our organizations have to keep up with the times and that includes the perceived good and the perceived bad.

I agree with tld221.

[MasTNX]

Wow. I didn't realize how mainstream for-profit colleges were.

There's also a Sigma Gamma Rho chapter at Strayer University. According to this list, it's the Nu Pi chapter.

Alpha Kappa Alpha has a joint Strayer and Marymount University chapter, Sigma Alpha chapter.

[tld221]

Originally Posted by MasTNX

There's also a Sigma Gamma Rho chapter at Strayer University. According to this list, it's the Nu Pi chapter.

i know (of) that chapter. I just thought Strayer was some random small, private liberal arts school out in West Bubble. *shrug*

[Psi U MC Vito]

If the quality of education is comparable, why do you not want to see membership extended to those who got degrees at non traditional institutions?