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Originally Posted by Kevin
Didn't we try the amnesty thing before?
Until we're actually ready to enforce the laws on the books and properly guard the border, we shouldn't do anything.
If we can do those things, I think some sort of quick path to citizenship, or at least a low cost work permit program would be a better option. Until then, we all subsidize illegal immigration anyway through their drawing on our social services, criminal and civil justice systems, driving on our roads, etc.
Priority one, however, must be building a system where never again will there be an entire class of people who has to live in the shadows.
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I rather agree, but it was the new guy who flipped out and really brought amnesty into this discussion in the first place.
I wonder though, with the number of illegal immigrants working under false SSNs and paying into the system with no way to withdraw from it - are we talking a net drain on resources or not? And how big is that actual drain? It's probably impossible to know, but it seems few people actually include what they put into the system as well as what they take out.
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Originally Posted by PiKA2001
I don't like the term, " Doing jobs Americans won't do", because I don't feel like thts the case. I think they are getting paid wages that Americans can't survive on. I think if these so called unwanted jobs paid 11-13 dollars an hour you would see more US citizens applying for them. If we make everyone legal and give them the protection of labor laws and higher wages, who's to say the demand for migrant workers will be there anymore.
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I agree that it's a lot about wages, however migrant workers are different from illegal immigrants. Unless I'm behind it's still possible to work here temporarily for the harvest season as a migrant worker and return home each year.
I do think that there's something also to be said about wanting cheap produce and products. If we're only willing to pay X for orange juice, they'll only pay Y. If they start paying Y+Z for workers, orange juice will cost more than X.
/solve for Y
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