Thinking of rushing..Terrified of hazing

[KSUViolet06]

We could scream "WE DON'T HAZE!" all we wanted and there are alot of PNMs that wouldn't believe us. I don't consider it my PERSONAL responsbility to BEG PNMs to believe us. It's in ALL of our official materials and such. If that't not enough for some PNMs, I don't know what to tell them.

Either you're going to ignore the negative media attention concerning hazing and find out for yourself, or you're going to sit back and watch others join and have great experiences. That's up to you.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

I'm sure there's some of the NPHC/NPC differences coming across, but I don't see answering these questions as begging for members or desperately trying to convince someone.

We corrected the misconception and encouraged her to a) think for herself and b) go through recruitment and find out. PNMs aren't held to the same expectations that aspirants are and 17-18 year-olds can need reassurance. Far better that we correct the misconceptions than allow them to continue.

I don't believe that NPC "begs" for members either -- I think it really comes down to the bolded. Our organizations have plenty of information about hazing (definitions, what to do if you suspect it, etc) and PNMs/aspirants have access to that information. They can choose to acknowledge that info or to ignore it.

If, after researching, an aspirant STILL doesn't want to pledge, so be it. I'm not going to lose any sleep over it.

Originally Posted by KSUViolet06

We could scream "WE DON'T HAZE!" all we wanted and there are alot of PNMs that wouldn't believe us. I don't consider it my PERSONAL responsbility to BEG PNMs to believe us. It's in ALL of our official materials and such. If that't not enough for some PNMs, I don't know what to tell them.

Either you're going to ignore the negative media attention concerning hazing and find out for yourself, or you're going to sit back and watch others join and have great experiences. That's up to you.

Co-sign.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by KSUViolet06

We could scream "WE DON'T HAZE!" all we wanted and there are alot of PNMs that wouldn't believe us. I don't consider it my PERSONAL responsbility to BEG PNMs to believe us. It's in ALL of our official materials and such. If that't not enough for some PNMs, I don't know what to tell them.

Either you're going to ignore the negative media attention concerning hazing and find out for yourself, or you're going to sit back and watch others join and have great experiences. That's up to you.

I think the point is that no matter how much we, or our orgs, point out that we don't allow hazing, it can happen. But I really don't see how any of this is 'begging' or lowering ourselves.

She can go through recruitment and see, but she can also be aware that if she's faced with a hazing situation she has the ability to say no and not be pressured into it.

[KSUViolet06]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

I think the point is that no matter how much we, or our orgs, point out that we don't allow hazing, it can happen. But I really don't see how any of this is 'begging' or lowering ourselves.

She can go through recruitment and see, but she can also be aware that if she's faced with a hazing situation she has the ability to say no and not be pressured into it.

This.

[Ggirl617]

I don't think the fact that our laws tell us not to haze coupled with the fact we have enough members in our GLO's is enough to not do anything else. In theory, this is accurate, but in practice, no.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

I think the point is that no matter how much we, or our orgs, point out that we don't allow hazing, it can happen. But I really don't see how any of this is 'begging' or lowering ourselves.

She can go through recruitment and see, but she can also be aware that if she's faced with a hazing situation she has the ability to say no and not be pressured into it.

This is something that's communicated to PNMs/aspirants. Anything beyond that would be stepping into "spoonfeeding" territory (IMHO).

Originally Posted by Ggirl617

I don't think the fact that our laws tell us not to haze coupled with the fact we have enough members in our GLO's is enough to not do anything else. In theory, this is accurate, but in practice, no.

To each his/her own. If you want to go beyond that, that's your call. But it isn't necessarily "wrong" to expect prospective members to form conclusions on their own.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

This is something that's communicated to PNMs/aspirants. Anything beyond that would be stepping into "spoonfeeding" territory (IMHO).



To each his/her own. If you want to go beyond that, that's your call. But it isn't necessarily "wrong" to expect prospective members to form conclusions on their own.

I agree, I just didn't see how anything here was related to us begging for members.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

I agree, I just didn't see how anything here was related to us begging for members.

"We aren't hurting for members" =/= "Begging for members" (in my eyes)

I think the point is that none of our GLOs will cease to exist if a handful of PNMs/aspirants don't form their own conclusions. There are hundreds (if not thousands) of others that are more than willing to come to us.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

"We aren't hurting for members" =/= "Begging for members" (in my eyes)

I think the point is that none of our GLOs will cease to exist if a handful of PNMs/aspirants don't form their own conclusions. There are hundreds (if not thousands) of others that are more than willing to come to us.

Yeah I just don't get where that relates per se. Again perhaps it's the NPHC/NPC difference. Not responding to this thread, or anyone else's comments, wouldn't hurt our numbers, but why not respond with accurate information? I don't get that attitude of not providing simple, accurate answers when someone asks in good faith. Even if nothing else, it's just good PR in this situation and correcting one person's view can spread to her friends or classmates.

*shrug*

ETA: I do understand why questions regarding membership in D9 or other orgs are redirected elsewhere, I think that's a different issue.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

Yeah I just don't get where that relates per se. Again perhaps it's the NPHC/NPC difference. Not responding to this thread, or anyone else's comments, wouldn't hurt our numbers, but why not respond with accurate information? I don't get that attitude of not providing simple, accurate answers when someone asks in good faith. Even if nothing else, it's just good PR in this situation and correcting one person's view can spread to her friends or classmates.

*shrug*

ETA: I do understand why questions regarding membership in D9 or other orgs are redirected elsewhere, I think that's a different issue.

(Only dragging this on because I don't want to continue working lol)

It's because most of the questions have already been answered by our I/HQs. If an interest doesn't take the time to try to find information on his/her own, it makes it seem as if the person will be a member that requires spoonfeeding at every turn.

Again, to each his/her own. I'd prefer to represent my organization by fulfilling my duties as a member rather than schooling interests on things that they can easily find the answers to.