Can't afford your house? Here is an easy fix, let taxpayers do it.

[DaemonSeid]

I disagree and I don't like you.......

[AGDee]

I don't agree that Afghanistan and Iraq are the same in any way, shape or form. One country is harboring the people who attacked us. The other was no imminent threat and we charged in and overthrew their government because our President had a personal grudge.

Obama also did NOT promise to end things in Afghanistan, only in Iraq. People who view these as the same thing are wrong. The real issue is that we didn't spend the resources in Afghanistan that we should have and instead poured resources into Iraq. And I find it a little ludicrous that the president who inherited that mess is the one that is being attacked about it. /hijack

If this is the way those states choose to spend their stimulus package dollars, isn't that up to them? I don't see what the problem is here. Some people have figured out that it's worse for the state has a whole to have 30% of their homes abandoned than to pay for those homes. They are avoiding blight this way. It's a good move in some situations.

[cheerfulgreek]

And the war in Afghanistan is an ideal too, not a war. It's apart of the "War on Terror", which is an intangible thing. It's impossible to win a war like that.

[AGDee]

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

And the war in Afghanistan is an ideal too, not a war. It's apart of the "War on Terror", which is an intangible thing. It's impossible to win a war like that.

We have a specific person/group of people and a specific reason why we want them, with Afghanistan.

[cheerfulgreek]

Originally Posted by AGDee

We have a specific person/group of people and a specific reason why we want them, with Afghanistan.

Dee, this is an ideal we are fighting, not a war. This ideal is all over the world, not just the Middle East. You cannot win an ideal.

We're fighting a war, they're fighting an ideal.

[Psi U MC Vito]

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

Dee, this is an ideal we are fighting, not a war. This ideal is all over the world, not just the Middle East. You cannot win an ideal.

We're fighting a war, they're fighting an ideal.

That's the thing though. We weren't going to destroy terrorism. We were going to Afghanistan after an organization that committed an act of war against us, and those who were harboring them.

[cheerfulgreek]

Originally Posted by Psi U MC Vito

That's the thing though. We weren't going to destroy terrorism. We were going to Afghanistan after an organization that committed an act of war against us, and those who were harboring them.

But that organization is all over. There over here, too. What we're doing is equivalent to you trying to get rid of all the parasites on your body. Good luck trying.

[agzg]

Iraq and Afghanistan are NOT the same thing and anyone who doesn't know that is an idiot.

The War in Afghanistant and the GWOT* are not the same thing and anyone who doesn't know that should do some reading.

The GWOT is all hyperbole, as is the War on Drugs. Anyone who believes that there is an actual War on Terror is an idiot.

*Global War on Terror

[Psi U MC Vito]

Originally Posted by agzg

The GWOT is all hyperbole, as is the War on Drugs. Anyone who believes that there is an actual War on Terror is an idiot.

Reminds me of a quote I read by a politician, though I forget who. He compared calling it the War on Terror the same thing as calling WWII the War on Blitzkrieg.

[epchick]

Originally Posted by agzg

Iraq and Afghanistan are NOT the same thing and anyone who doesn't know that is an idiot.

The War in Afghanistant and the GWOT* are not the same thing and anyone who doesn't know that should do some reading.

The GWOT is all hyperbole, as is the War on Drugs. Anyone who believes that there is an actual War on Terror is an idiot.

*Global War on Terror

QFT

[AnotherKD]

Originally Posted by agzg

Iraq and Afghanistan are NOT the same thing and anyone who doesn't know that is an idiot.

The War in Afghanistant and the GWOT* are not the same thing and anyone who doesn't know that should do some reading.

The GWOT is all hyperbole, as is the War on Drugs. Anyone who believes that there is an actual War on Terror is an idiot.

*Global War on Terror

Never meant to say it was- I misread your post about bringing troops back from the Middle East and as I was glazing over it, my brain read "Middle East" instead of "Iraq". We can get into the semantics of where the "Middle East" is and how it might not include Afghanistan, or that it does because although other countries in Asia are mostly Muslim, Afghanistan is like other countries west of it in trying to sustain Sharia Law, etc, but I won't go into all of that here. But I am not an idiot. (flouncing done)

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by AnotherKD

Never meant to say it was- I misread your post about bringing troops back from the Middle East and as I was glazing over it, my brain read "Middle East" instead of "Iraq". We can get into the semantics of where the "Middle East" is and how it might not include Afghanistan, or that it does because although other countries in Asia are mostly Muslim, Afghanistan is like other countries west of it in trying to sustain Sharia Law, etc, but I won't go into all of that here. But I am not an idiot. (flouncing done)

LOL. You are such a good sport.

[agzg]

Originally Posted by AnotherKD

Never meant to say it was- I misread your post about bringing troops back from the Middle East and as I was glazing over it, my brain read "Middle East" instead of "Iraq". We can get into the semantics of where the "Middle East" is and how it might not include Afghanistan, or that it does because although other countries in Asia are mostly Muslim, Afghanistan is like other countries west of it in trying to sustain Sharia Law, etc, but I won't go into all of that here. But I am not an idiot. (flouncing done)

It wasn't me that said that. The post you quoted just now was my first post in this thread.

I get really aggravated when people are like "but you can't fight a war on an idea" and don't realize that GWOT was always hyperbole.

[cheerfulgreek]

Originally Posted by AnotherKD

Never meant to say it was- I misread your post about bringing troops back from the Middle East and as I was glazing over it, my brain read "Middle East" instead of "Iraq". We can get into the semantics of where the "Middle East" is and how it might not include Afghanistan, or that it does because although other countries in Asia are mostly Muslim, Afghanistan is like other countries west of it in trying to sustain Sharia Law, etc, but I won't go into all of that here. But I am not an idiot. (flouncing done)

No, I was referring to Iraq, Iran, etc when I was talking about the problems in the Middle East. Meaning that what's going on over there is nothing new and it started long before Bush. And for Afghanistan I was saying that what we're fighting over there, is not just in that country, it's everywhere.

[knight_shadow]

Detroit Mayor Dangles $1,000 Homes as Incentive to Move to City

Detroit Mayor Dave Bing announced a sweet deal for Detroit firefighters and public safety officers currently not living in the city. Bing is dangling foreclosed homes for $1,000 plus funds for restoration as an incentive to get police officers and firefighters out of the burbs. Project 14 is named for a police code meaning that things are "back to normal."

In 1999, legislation was enacted that repealed an 80+ policy which stipulated that Detroit police officers and fire fighters must live in the city in which they serve. Since mandatory residency for municipal workers was overturned, many public safety officers left their metro and inner city neighborhoods and moved to one of Detroit's many suburban areas.

Dearborn, Hamtramck, Oak Park, Ferndale, Bloomfield, Warren, Royal Oak, Birmingham, Auburn Hills, Southfield, Rochester Hills and other cities near the metro Detroit area have seen an influx of municipal workers, including over half of all Detroit police officers and nearly half of all firefighters. Concern over public school systems, neighborhood safety, residential amenities, stability of localities and general environment were issues that drove many Detroit residents out of the city and into suburban life.

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