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Originally Posted by AZPHI JOURNEAUX
All of these things are optional, except the tests and quizzes ...and the community service event, they insure a pledge has learned both history, traditions, rules and expectations and parliamentary procedure. as we dont want to take the time to train them after they become brothers.
The fraternity is based on community service we have bylaws that require all active brothers and pledges to go to at minimum one community service event. so this is just getting them prepped for being a brother.
The interviews may be a little sketchy, but they have the option to walk out if they are uncomfortable at any time it isn't counted against them.
some of the random things we ask them to do is Keep your wallet on you, and unbolt the door so we can enter, write a 500 word essay on the Three principles of the fraternity (they have the option of not doing these as well)
this was just a clarification. thanks though.
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Just because something is optional doesn't mean it isn't hazing. Just the request is enough. Do you really think that someone is going to walk out of an interview and still expect to join the organization? And that it won't reflect poorly on him? I would love to hear how many times a PNM has walked out of the CIA-style interview which didn't have it effect anyone's opinion of him or his chances of joining. Hazing is more psychological than physical- it's about pushing the boundaries to see how far someone is willing to go, and people not standing up to say something isn't right.
We are just trying to tell you that this isn't right.
There have been great social psychology studies on these types of theories. A great (but extreme) example is the Holocaust- many of the soldiers did not agree with Hitler's beliefs but still carried out the brutality he demanded. Had they banded together and stood up to him, much could have been different.
re: the essays, planning the event, etc- as I mentioned before, it's all how it's done. If it is in the spirit of brotherhood, learning, growth, and togetherness- then great. If, however, it is being forced on them with a negative demeanor, if they have the feeling of being pledges rather than new members, if it is something the rest of the chapter wouldn't happily do- it's not right.
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