Arizona governor signs immigration bill

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by ASUADPi

I'm going to get so many flames for this, but some of the comments really are annoying the heck out of me, so I figure it is only time to have a person post who is PRO this law.

I'm glad they did this! It is about time! Obviously the federal government doesn't give a darn about the huge amounts of illegal immigrants in Arizona. No offense, but these illegal immigrants are draining our Arizona economy, because as the "legal" citizen, my taxes are going to take care of their butts.

I'm going to get flames left and right but until you have lived in Arizona your whole life and you have physically been the victim of an illegal immigrant stealing your identity or an illegal immigrant getting services that you can't even get as the LEGAL CITIZEN, you can't possibly understand!

They are here ILLEGALLY. I don't understand why people don't get this. ILLEGAL. Broke the law. Hello a crime was committed! This shouldn't be a difficult concept to understand, but yet somehow it is.

As for Border Patrols. What good do they do when most illegal immigrants go through the desert? That is why Arizona has been fighting for so long to get the fence up and activated. That is why my brother, when he was in the National Guard, was stationed down in Yuma, to monitor the border.

Now Arizona may not be the brightest bulb in the shed (look how they have cut funding to education and social services) but they gotta do what they gotta do to protect the border and state from illegal immigration, because the government isn't doing it for them. Maybe the federal government will "pay attention" now that they (Arizona) has done soemthing so drastic.

It's actually startlingly clear that you're the one who has a tenuous grasp, at best, on the real issues involved with illegal immigration.

The real-world costs of illegal immigrants are, for practical purposes, sunk costs - they're basic human services that have been deemed a right for even non-citizens. Surely, you're not for holding back basic human rights from individuals, regardless of skin tone, right?

And won't the increased time and energy dealing with inconsequential immigration-related issues detract from local police's ability to do their jobs, resulting in EVEN MORE costs? Seriously - sunk costs are sunk, no matter how angry you want to be about it. Now, if it's not cheaper, and if it might actually make people less safe, is that worth stepping all over the frigging Constitution in the name of "enforcement" (which is not left to the states anyway)?

Put another way: what will this law actually DO, in your mind?

I guess we'll start there, and see if it's worth moving onto further lessons in Reality Versus The Minutemen 201.

(Preview: how are taxes dealt with when drawn from paychecks of illegals? Why should enforcement be left to business owners, who have a vested interest in NOT enforcing the laws? How much would strawberries cost on Planet NoIllegals? Do you understand the definition of "crime" and its dubious-at-best relation to undocumented immigration? How will this law actually affect social services, which make up the majority of costs? And, finally - how does a closed border and the current 'card'/naturalization pathway system encourage legal immigration when undocumented immigration is easier, cheaper, faster and insanely more convenient? Oh, wait though - closing the border is the solution. That'll work. Just like the war on drugs.)

[Alumiyum]

Originally Posted by KSig RC

It's actually startlingly clear that you're the one who has a tenuous grasp, at best, on the real issues involved with illegal immigration.

The real-world costs of illegal immigrants are, for practical purposes, sunk costs - they're basic human services that have been deemed a right for even non-citizens. Surely, you're not for holding back basic human rights from individuals, regardless of skin tone, right?

And won't the increased time and energy dealing with inconsequential immigration-related issues detract from local police's ability to do their jobs, resulting in EVEN MORE costs? Seriously - sunk costs are sunk, no matter how angry you want to be about it. Now, if it's not cheaper, and if it might actually make people less safe, is that worth stepping all over the frigging Constitution in the name of "enforcement" (which is not left to the states anyway)?

Put another way: what will this law actually DO, in your mind?

I guess we'll start there, and see if it's worth moving onto further lessons in Reality Versus The Minutemen 201.

(Preview: how are taxes dealt with when drawn from paychecks of illegals? Why should enforcement be left to business owners, who have a vested interest in NOT enforcing the laws? How much would strawberries cost on Planet NoIllegals? Do you understand the definition of "crime" and its dubious-at-best relation to undocumented immigration? How will this law actually affect social services, which make up the majority of costs? And, finally - how does a closed border and the current 'card'/naturalization pathway system encourage legal immigration when undocumented immigration is easier, cheaper, faster and insanely more convenient? Oh, wait though - closing the border is the solution. That'll work. Just like the war on drugs.)

You do realize illegal immigration isn't a "skin tone" issue, right?

I've happened to encounter "illegal aliens" from several countries in Europe...visas run out and they stay. Different route, same outcome.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Alumiyum

You do realize illegal immigration isn't a "skin tone" issue, right?

Ummmmm...HE realizes that and HE won't be the one doing the racial profiling based on black and brown skin tone and non-white racial and ethnic features.

This law was not intended to target illegal immigrants who are not black or brown and it won't be used to target illegal immigrants who are not black or brown.

[Alumiyum]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Ummmmm...HE realizes that and HE won't be the one doing the racial profiling based on black and brown skin tone and non-white racial and ethnic features.

This law was not intended to target illegal immigrants who are not black or brown and it won't be used to target illegal immigrants who are not black or brown.

Ummmm it was directed towards that poster.

Down girl, down.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Alumiyum

Ummmm it was directed towards that poster.

Down girl, down.

Shut up, bitch.

[Alumiyum]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Shut up, bitch.

Someone's being a lady today. Don't write your obnoxious responses if you can't handle getting them back.

I will not be shutting up any time soon. Have a good one!

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Alumiyum

Someone's being a lady today

My womanhood is not contingent upon being a lady and my ladyness is not contingent upon calling you a bitch. Remember that next time you post to me.

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