Arizona governor signs immigration bill

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Serious question: Is Kevlar lily-white? LOL.

He's not the one that mentioned not minding being stopped. Ghostwriter said that (and having Native American blood isn't the same, btw.) Kevlar just mentioned that people get stopped near borders. (I always thought Kevlar was black.) This has been a common argument used by caucasians since they won't be the ones effected by the law anyway. If I wasn't clear, it was because I was typing too fast. Sorry! The statement was meant as a general statement to any caucasian making that asinine claim.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

He's not the one that mentioned not minding being stopped. Ghostwriter said that (and having Native American blood isn't the same, btw.) Kevlar just mentioned that people get stopped near borders. (I always thought Kevlar was black.) This has been a common argument used by caucasians since they won't be the ones effected by the law anyway. If I wasn't clear, it was because I was typing too fast. Sorry! The statement was meant as a general statement to any caucasian making that asinine claim.

No, I really was curious. LOL. I also thought Kevlar was Black. I didn't know whether Ghostwriter was white, but saw the mention of N.A. I get your point.

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

No, I really was curious. LOL. I also thought Kevlar was Black. I didn't know whether Ghostwriter was white, but saw the mention of N.A. I get your point.

I think you're right. Maybe he'll come back and confirm.

[Ghostwriter]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

I think you're right. Maybe he'll come back and confirm.

Don't know about Kevlar but to clear up any questions, my Father was Seminole and my Mother's side was Dutch/Irish/French. My point is that I could easily be mistaken for an illegal and if I was stopped, so what.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by Ghostwriter

My point is that I could easily be mistaken for an illegal and if I was stopped, so what.

Other than the possible unconstitutionality of it?

[moe.ron]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

Other than the possible unconstitutionality of it?

It's only a piece of paper.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

Other than the possible unconstitutionality of it?

MC, did you follow the 10th Circuit's handling of Oklahoma's anti-immigration efforts?

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by Kevin

MC, did you follow the 10th Circuit's handling of Oklahoma's anti-immigration efforts?

Not really -- what I know is based on what you posted.

I was thinking more of Ghostwriter apparently thinking that if, because of his looks, he was stopped because he was "mistaken for an illegal, so what?" I take my contitutional rights a little more seriously than that.

And ASUADPi, I won't flame you and I understand your frustration. And I completely understand that illegal alien means illegal, as in criminal laws have been violated. But there are right ways to go about trying to address the problem and there are ways that aren't right. I fear Arizona has opted for the latter, and Arizona's efforts won't help at all if the law is found to be unconstitutional and therefore unenforceable.

[Ghostwriter]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

Other than the possible unconstitutionality of it?

Not so sure it is unconstitutional. Isn't that the point to all this? One would have thought that Kelo vs. New London would have been deemed unconstitutional but it was upheld and all that land was taken. Has anyone seen a mall, shopping center, etc. on this land? Nothing was built and the land owners and taxpayers were the real losers. You just never know on these things.

http://www.oyez.org/cases/2000-2009/2004/2004_04_108

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by Ghostwriter

Not so sure it is unconstitutional. Isn't that the point to all this? One would have thought that Kelo vs. New London would have been deemed unconstitutional but it was upheld and all that land was taken. Has anyone seen a mall, shopping center, etc. on this land? Nothing was built and the land owners and taxpayers were the real losers. You just never know on these things.

True.

But I was responding specifically to what I understood you to be saying, which was that you saw no big deal in being stopped if, based on your looks, you were mistaken for an illegal immigrant. Did I misunderstand you?

That's what I was talking about as unconstitutional -- not the Arizona law per se, but the claim that it's not a big deal being stopped just because you look like you might be an illegal alien.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Ghostwriter

Don't know about Kevlar but to clear up any questions, my Father was Seminole and my Mother's side was Dutch/Irish/French. My point is that I could easily be mistaken for an illegal and if I was stopped, so what.

Then you have a party.