Arizona governor signs immigration bill

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by Kevlar281

Typically within a 100 miles of the border.


They don't but nothing that I know of besides policy prevents them from doing so if they chose to.


Yes


I don't see how proximity to the border makes one acceptable and the other not.

/edit: to prevent double posting.

Hmm...You just don't want to see the difference. People expect to be checked when they go to a border crossing. It is part of the process. People do not expect to be put through credentials checks on the way to the grocery store or coming home from school. It is not reasonable to say that a RANDOM check near a border is the same as a check in a city on "suspicion for illegal status." Which one is more likely to be based on a discriminatory mind set?

Might I also add that it is well and good for a lily-white caucasian to say they wouldn't mind pulling out their ID to prove that they're an American citizen if asked, but YOU are not the one who will be asked over and over and over again. And if you were, you'd be b*tching like those annoying people at the airport that get randomly screened and start complaining that they "always" get screened.
And this is coming from a lily-white blonde who would never get stopped for suspicion of illegal status.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

Might I also add that it is well and good for a lily-white caucasian to say they wouldn't mind pulling out their ID to prove that they're an American citizen if asked, but YOU are not the one who will be asked over and over and over again. And if you were, you'd be b*tching like those annoying people at the airport that get randomly screened and start complaining that they "always" get screened.
And this is coming from a lily-white blonde who would never get stopped for suspicion of illegal status.

Serious question: Is Kevlar lily-white? LOL.

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Serious question: Is Kevlar lily-white? LOL.

He's not the one that mentioned not minding being stopped. Ghostwriter said that (and having Native American blood isn't the same, btw.) Kevlar just mentioned that people get stopped near borders. (I always thought Kevlar was black.) This has been a common argument used by caucasians since they won't be the ones effected by the law anyway. If I wasn't clear, it was because I was typing too fast. Sorry! The statement was meant as a general statement to any caucasian making that asinine claim.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

He's not the one that mentioned not minding being stopped. Ghostwriter said that (and having Native American blood isn't the same, btw.) Kevlar just mentioned that people get stopped near borders. (I always thought Kevlar was black.) This has been a common argument used by caucasians since they won't be the ones effected by the law anyway. If I wasn't clear, it was because I was typing too fast. Sorry! The statement was meant as a general statement to any caucasian making that asinine claim.

No, I really was curious. LOL. I also thought Kevlar was Black. I didn't know whether Ghostwriter was white, but saw the mention of N.A. I get your point.

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

No, I really was curious. LOL. I also thought Kevlar was Black. I didn't know whether Ghostwriter was white, but saw the mention of N.A. I get your point.

I think you're right. Maybe he'll come back and confirm.

[Ghostwriter]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

I think you're right. Maybe he'll come back and confirm.

Don't know about Kevlar but to clear up any questions, my Father was Seminole and my Mother's side was Dutch/Irish/French. My point is that I could easily be mistaken for an illegal and if I was stopped, so what.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by Ghostwriter

My point is that I could easily be mistaken for an illegal and if I was stopped, so what.

Other than the possible unconstitutionality of it?

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Ghostwriter

Don't know about Kevlar but to clear up any questions, my Father was Seminole and my Mother's side was Dutch/Irish/French. My point is that I could easily be mistaken for an illegal and if I was stopped, so what.

Then you have a party.

[Alumiyum]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

Hmm...You just don't want to see the difference. People expect to be checked when they go to a border crossing. It is part of the process. People do not expect to be put through credentials checks on the way to the grocery store or coming home from school. It is not reasonable to say that a RANDOM check near a border is the same as a check in a city on "suspicion for illegal status." Which one is more likely to be based on a discriminatory mind set?

Might I also add that it is well and good for a lily-white caucasian to say they wouldn't mind pulling out their ID to prove that they're an American citizen if asked, but YOU are not the one who will be asked over and over and over again. And if you were, you'd be b*tching like those annoying people at the airport that get randomly screened and start complaining that they "always" get screened.
And this is coming from a lily-white blonde who would never get stopped for suspicion of illegal status.

I'm white, but am asked very frequently if I am Hispanic or part Hispanic. (As far as we know we're Scotch-Irish, but no one's bothered to research family history, so I probably got all the genes from some ancestor who very well might have been Hispanic, but it was past great-great grandparents.) I'm willing to bet I'd get stopped, and I'm certainly more likely to than a "lily-white blonde".

I agree with the concept, I just don't agree with how this is probably going to play out. And I certainly don't carry a birth certificate or ssn card. I feel like if this were done right, it could be productive. But it would be naive to think this isn't going to result in racial profiling. (Or in carding anyone with an accent).

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by Alumiyum

I'm white, but am asked very frequently if I am Hispanic or part Hispanic. (As far as we know we're Scotch-Irish, but no one's bothered to research family history, so I probably got all the genes from some ancestor who very well might have been Hispanic, but it was past great-great grandparents.) I'm willing to bet I'd get stopped, and I'm certainly more likely to than a "lily-white blonde".

I agree with the concept, I just don't agree with how this is probably going to play out. And I certainly don't carry a birth certificate or ssn card. I feel like if this were done right, it could be productive. But it would be naive to think this isn't going to result in racial profiling. (Or in carding anyone with an accent).

Exactly. The whole problem is not what it would do to illegal immigrants but what it would do to legal immigrants and American citizens. If you are really interested in cutting into the problem, there has got to be a way to tackle the problem without the real potential of discriminating against a minority population that has done nothing wrong.