Obama orders end to the practice of denying same-sex partners hospital visits

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

Perhaps, but DHHS is an executive agency, so there's no question he has the authority to request or order them to take specific action that is otherwise within their statutory authority. I mean, this is just criticizing the boss for being the boss.
How do these orders supercede Constitutionality or infringe on the balance of powers? He's the head (constitutionally) of the executive branch issuing executive orders related to how the executive branch will function. There's absolutely no "comdemnation" of other branches of government. The courts always have the authority to declare an executive order invalid if the president exceeded his authority in issuing it. Congress has the power to supercede the order by statute.

But what are the orders about? Looking through the lists you posted, there's an awful lot of fairly routine stuff in there.

Somebody's sipping on the haterade.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

Somebody's sipping on the haterade.

I don't know about that. I'm assuming obviously as I can't recall him specifically saying it (and I hope/trust EW will correct me if I assume incorrectly), but from various of EW's posts, I pick up a strong libertarian (very limited government) viewpoint. My guess is that's what leads to his opinions.

[VandalSquirrel]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

Why? Who do you think issues marriage licenses? Who do you think hands out divorce decrees? When you get married in a church, it means NOTHING except that you are married in the eyes of the church until you turn the signed paperwork in to the state. The government has everything to do with marriage. The federal government or the supreme court only gets involved in the matter of marriage when the states screw up. I agree that taxation based on marriage is stupid, but that's the decision of your elected officials and my elected officials. What Obama did has nothing to do, however, with marriage. It has to do with making sure that hospitals don't decide for patients who gets to visit when they are ill. If you only get to see two people, fine...limit to two, but if you haven't been speaking to your parents for five years, why would they have precedence over your partner for visitation? In medicine, we haven't been able to make decisions for patients in over 20 years. It's time this archaic practice is gone as well.

Can you imagine if one was kicked out of their home, and cut off from family, built a life anyway with people who love them and was happy, and then those who cast you out start running your life? I am sure that doesn't happen as often as it used to, but hell yeah I'd be pissed off and really upset by that. I say again people over 18, make your wishes known in a legal document, just in case. I want to not be on a machine if my brain is dead, I want my organs harvested, and then I want to be cremated and sprinkled, that's it. My family is into that as well, but having it in writing helps the process along.

Originally Posted by Munchkin03

Can't we just legalize gay marriage in all 50 states already? DUH.

Because that isn't GOD'S WAY, and OMFGWTFBBQMSNBC they will make our churches marry them, and what's wrong with a civil union, marriage is sacred!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I still have yet to hear an argument against non related, single, same gendered/sexed, adults marrying that doesn't involve religion or slippery slope beastiality.

[KSUViolet06]

Originally Posted by VandalSquirrel

Can you imagine if one was kicked out of their home, and cut off from family, built a life anyway with people who love them and was happy, and then those who cast you out start running your life? I am sure that doesn't happen as often as it used to, but hell yeah I'd be pissed off and really upset by that. I say again people over 18, make your wishes known in a legal document, just in case. I want to not be on a machine if my brain is dead, I want my organs harvested, and then I want to be cremated and sprinkled, that's it. My family is into that as well, but having it in writing helps the process along.

I have had this convo with my family as well. Is it pleasant? Nope. But it is so important.

Originally Posted by VandalSquirrel

Because that isn't GOD'S WAY, and OMFGWTFBBQMSNBC they will make our churches marry them, and what's wrong with a civil union, marriage is sacred!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I still have yet to hear an argument against non related, single, same gendered/sexed, adults marrying that doesn't involve religion or slippery slope beastiality.

It's interesting when people pull the "sacredness of marriage" card because marriage in this country hasn't been 'sacred' in a looooong time (and it has nothing to do with gay people).