kappa sigma at fgcu?

[SWTXBelle]

Originally Posted by KSigAdvisor

Welcome to the discussion Southern Belle. No one said you have to fix something that you don't think is broken, and no one said you have a small brain. Calm down... if your small brain will allow.... "I'm just sayin...."

It's SWTXBelle - not southern. There is a Southern Belle here, but it is not me.

You stated "Lastly, before I forget, I don't expect any of the sorority members on here to really understand this argument." It was that which I was commenting on in terms of sorority members and their brain size - and while you may try to interpret that as NOT saying we have small brains (lack of intelligence) , the fact is, you then went and said the very thing you said you had not said, undoubtly for comic effect, but I submit you failed. The fact that so many others have interpreted it the same way indicates that.

As to "no one said you had to fix something that you don't think is broken" - you wrote "Your views are skewed by the fact that you have voluntarily created an unnecessary organization that you named Panhellenic, which you give the authority to provide strict oversight of your groups. Believe it or not, you could actually operate without it." Your representation of the NPC as "unnecessary" and your "Believe it or not, you could actually operate without it" indicated that you hold our 100+ year old organization in contempt, and think that it is indeed "broken" and we should operate without it.

AND as for referencing a post which I took down, please note that when I perceived I was being unnecessarily insulting (although funny), I took it down. You should try it.

[SWTXBelle]

Originally Posted by KSigAdvisor

Knight Rider- I said we'd help, not that you "need our blessing." (See why it's hard not to make derogatory comments?) If we have a Chapter at a university, our undergrads are instructed to vote in favor of expansion, always.

And the fact that you actually think that only members of NIC are deserving of equal protection of the laws is sad.

Welcome to the discussion Southern Belle. No one said you have to fix something that you don't think is broken, and no one said you have a small brain. Calm down... if your small brain will allow.... "I'm just sayin...."

QFP

[SWTXBelle]

Originally Posted by jennyj87

I'm so glad you are the representation of the fraternity that wants to come on my campus. This defiantly makes me want to support you. Please, come and help us poor small brained sorority women at this campus. I don't know how any of us have been functioning for the past seven years without you.

So what is the sororities' take on all this, near as you can tell?

[FSUZeta]

Originally Posted by SWTXBelle

So what is the sororities' take on all this, near as you can tell?

that there are rules and procedures that apply to everyone/every organization, and those rules and procedures should be followed , that KSigAdvisor has not furthered his cause nor his case and that he has been extremely insulting and derogatory to many gc members and has been especially insensitive toward women.

[SWTXBelle]

Originally Posted by FSUZeta

that there are rules and procedures that apply to everyone/every organization, and those rules and procedures should be followed , that KSigAdvisor has not furthered his cause nor his case and that he has been extremely insulting and derogatory to many gc members and has been especially insensitive toward women.

Are any of the NPC chapters doing anything with Kappa Sigma?

[33girl]

Originally Posted by SWTXBelle

Are any of the NPC chapters doing anything with Kappa Sigma?

I think that's another one of the colony's complaints - that the sororities are being instructed not to have mixers, etc with them. (Jennyj correct me if I got this wrong) But you, I, and the whole free world know that if these guys were awesome enough, if a new fraternity was needed enough, and if the sororities dug them enough, there would be plenty of non-official "socializing" at parties and such.

[SWTXBelle]

Originally Posted by 33girl

I think that's another one of the colony's complaints - that the sororities are being instructed not to have mixers, etc with them. (Jennyj correct me if I got this wrong) But you, I, and the whole free world know that if these guys were awesome enough, if a new fraternity was needed enough, and if the sororities dug them enough, there would be plenty of non-official "socializing" at parties and such.

I know that back when I was advising we could have no "official" social events with non-recognized groups.

[jennyj87]

Originally Posted by SWTXBelle

Are any of the NPC chapters doing anything with Kappa Sigma?

No

[FSUZeta]

Originally Posted by SWTXBelle

I know that back when I was advising we could have no "official" social events with non-recognized groups.

that is exactly right-too many potential risk management issues doing things with a non-recognized group.

[SWTXBelle]

[QUOTE=KSigAdvisor;1915575

My comment to Belle was in response to her original comment where she took a shot at me. She removed the post, however, so now I look like a jerk. She finished by saying "I'm just sayin" so I was mimicking her post. It was completely in jest, lighten up.

Kappa Sigs do not disrespect women, whatsoever, and that kind of behavior is not tolerated. If a girl wants to jump in and call me a fucking idiot, I shouldn't react. Also, Belle took my comments and ran with them. I never said anything negative towards women.
And is response to your comment, Belle, that "we're not awesome" enough, thanks for that. (Where are you at attacking her Stu?) So, Belle, don't assume anything. Our guys are top notch, despite the year and a half peer bashing they've received from the other groups.
.[/QUOTE]

I explained point by point using your exact words why I interpreted your postings as I did. GCers can decide for themselves if I am off-base. Several women have informed you that they do in fact believe you have made negative comments about women. You may not have intended to - I'll give you the benefit of the doubt - but the fact is that is how they read. You may either become defensive, or might I suggest you go clean up your posts so they focus on your arguments for Kappa Sigma at FGCU?

I have not called you any names, nor have I used any language which a lady would not use. If you look like a jerk, it is entirely of your own doing.

I made one cheap shot, realized it was exactly that, and took it down. It was up for a matter of minutes.

I never posted anything that stated you were not "awesome enough". I went so far as to ask you in consideration for the "undoubtly good guys" in your colony to stop the insulting and demeaning language. I would appreciate it if you would not misrepresent my postings, although in all fairness I should say that anyone can read the thread and draw their own conclusions.

COMPLETELY UNSOLICITED ADVICE - Don't make this about you - make your argument for Kappa Sigma colonizing without university approval in the best logical, rational way you can. Having done so, let those who disagree do the same without getting caught up in any personal animosity. Don't post anything which you wouldn't willingly submit to your HQ. In that way you can best advance your cause, represent your fraternity, and contribue to the community at Greek Chat.

[jennyj87]

Originally Posted by 33girl

I think that's another one of the colony's complaints - that the sororities are being instructed not to have mixers, etc with them. (Jennyj correct me if I got this wrong) But you, I, and the whole free world know that if these guys were awesome enough, if a new fraternity was needed enough, and if the sororities dug them enough, there would be plenty of non-official "socializing" at parties and such.

Individually I know a few girls interact with them, but the majority of us do not. There have been no socials, unofficial OR official. We have been instructed to stay away from the situation

[knight_shadow]

So now, every American has the RIGHT to be an undergraduate member of a GLO?

[knight_shadow]

LOL You are clueless.

[SWTXBelle]

Originally Posted by KSigAdvisor

No misrepresentations Belle, intentionally or unintentionally, by either party. Removing your post doesn't mean you didn't take a shot at me, either.

Sigh.

Where did I state that you (Kappa Sigma) wasn't "awesome enough"? Stating that I did so is in fact misrepresenting my posts. And then there's the whole issue of seeming to tie me to some of the name calling which occurred - when in fact I did no such thing.

And removing my post means that I recognized within minutes of posting that it was completely unacceptable for me to engage in that kind of put-down. I apologize for doing so. It was beneath me. I did what I could to remedy the situation.

I'd be really interested in seeing the letters of support from NPC chapters, because as we discussed, I believe it is a liability issue. I also find it hard to believe that the three chapters would go against their nationals.

I'm done here.

[jennyj87]

Originally Posted by KSigAdvisor

Jenny87, we have emails of support from Chi Omega and another sorority (can't recall which) supporting us, sent from your national offices. Unfortunately the information passed to you guys so far has been inaccurate, and for some reason you've been "instructed" not to interact with us. We will do a better job of communicating why we're on campus and why we're allowed to be on campus, and will continue to work through this issue. If my instincts from being an undergraduate are correct, though, you have been mislead by the other fraternity members who have pitted you against us, labeling us as "bullies" (direct quote from the office of student involvement) and therefore some of the sorority members have reacted. This is a tough situation with so many out there spreading false rumors, but give us a chance. You won't hang out with us if we're not cool enough anyway, as Belle said, but at least treat us fairly. We do have a right to be here, as the letters from your national offices indicate.

As far as I have been told at chapter meetings, we are to stay away from the situation. I trust my chapter president and our panhellenic president. And after your comments about sorority women being small minded, explain to me why I would even want to hang out with you? Even if my sorority says we should support you, I am an individual and I do not have to.