Sprite Step-Off Update: ZTA and AKA to share 1st place

[KAPital PHINUst]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

This is a common exaggeration. It's like having $5 in the bank, depositing $2, and then running around preaching about how better off you are now because God has given you a lot of $$$$$. "More inclusiveness" is a relative measure that is based on perception of where we've come from. If your point of reference is a society where there are separate drinking fountains or there are damn near zero minorities professors at most universities then, sure, you'll WOW at how inclusive society is now.

Good point. Heck I remember when I opened my first savings account as a 12 y/o kid and put $15 in the bank ($30 - $35 adjusted for inflation). As a kid accustomed to having only about $2-$4 (or less) at any given time, I thought I was ballin'. Or as Curly of the Three Stooges once said, "$500? That's almost a million."

This is still an extremely racially segregated society...

I don't know about extremely segregated, but I do know that sometimes, we can be as complicit in having a racially segregated society as the mainstream. Again, it's not a one-way street.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by KAPital PHINUst

I don't know about extremely segregated, but I do know that sometimes, we can be as complicit in having a racially segregated society as the mainstream. Again, it's not a one-way street.

Okay, replace "extremely" with "very."

Of course it is a two-way street, however, whites have more power to make all of this happen on a larger scale than minorities do. The things that Blacks try to be exclusive about (as evidenced in this thread) don't mean a damn thing in the larger scheme of things. Segregation is intentional and unintentional, and by choice and by force (i.e. most people don't build their own neighborhoods or choose the zoning for the schools).

[KAPital PHINUst]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Okay, replace "extremely" with "very."

Of course it is a two-way street, however, whites have more power to make all of this happen on a larger scale than minorities do. The things that Blacks try to be exclusive about (as evidenced in this thread) don't mean a damn thing in the larger scheme of things. Segregation is intentional and unintentional, and by choice and by force (i.e. most people don't build their own neighborhoods or choose the zoning for the schools).

At the end of the day, it won't be a "black vs. white" matter. You see whites in power, but that's not the core issue. I see your points, but I really really think you're fighting the wrong battle(s). Because once the events unfolding comes to a climax, you're going to see a lot of whites in the same boat as we are. That is why you don't see me always siding with "us" on racially charged issues. Because I know that ultimately, it will all be a very moot point.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by KAPital PHINUst

You see whites in power, but that's not the core issue. I see your points, but I really really think you're fighting the wrong battle(s). Because once the events unfolding comes to a climax, you're going to see a lot of whites in the same boat as we are. That is why you don't see me always siding with "us" on racially charged issues. Because I know that ultimately, it will all be a very moot point.

I'm not fighting any battle. We're typing.

Are you talking about the "end of days" or are you talking about people foregoing white privilege and group dynamics to align on class lines rather than race lines? The former will happen before the latter.

[I.A.S.K.]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

I'm not fighting any battle. We're typing.

Are you talking about the "end of days" or are you talking about people foregoing white privilege and group dynamics to align on class lines rather than race lines? The former will happen before the latter.

The former will happen TWICE before the latter.

Originally Posted by KAPital PHINUst

At the end of the day, it won't be a "black vs. white" matter. You see whites in power, but that's not the core issue. I see your points, but I really really think you're fighting the wrong battle(s). Because once the events unfolding comes to a climax, you're going to see a lot of whites in the same boat as we are. That is why you don't see me always siding with "us" on racially charged issues. Because I know that ultimately, it will all be a very moot point.

Whites in power isnt the core issue. White supremecy is the issue. Whites will never be in the same boat as we are. It's well known that if white folx get a cough black folx get Swine Flu and Pnemonia. I highly doubt that the fact that you think blacks and whites will one day be equal is the reason you sometimes side against blacks on racially charged issues. Because realistically if we're all going to be equals some day what harm does it do to side with your own?

I swear I've been hearing this same discussion of Assimilation vs. The Black Radical Tradition all over the net this week. And it has all been because of one step show. #irony

I didn't quote LadyGreek, but I fervently agree with her about desegregation. Intergration was not the best solution and it still isnt.

[rhoyaltempest]

Originally Posted by I.A.S.K.

The former will happen TWICE before the latter.


Whites in power isnt the core issue. White supremecy is the issue. Whites will never be in the same boat as we are. It's well known that if white folx get a cough black folx get Swine Flu and Pnemonia. I highly doubt that the fact that you think blacks and whites will one day be equal is the reason you sometimes side against blacks on racially charged issues. Because realistically if we're all going to be equals some day what harm does it do to side with your own?

I swear I've been hearing this same discussion of Assimilation vs. The Black Radical Tradition all over the net this week. And it has all been because of one step show. #irony

I didn't quote LadyGreek, but I fervently agree with her about desegregation. Intergration was not the best solution and it still isnt.

That's because a hot/controversial topic will bring up a whole lot of feelings and people who don't usually discuss these issues will take the opportunity to speak out. That's why I keep saying that the issues people have with the Sprite stepshow is not about the stepshow really at all.

[KAPital PHINUst]

Originally Posted by rhoyaltempest

That's because a hot/controversial topic will bring up a whole lot of feelings and people who don't usually discuss these issues will take the opportunity to speak out. That's why I keep saying that the issues people have with the Sprite stepshow is not about the stepshow really at all.

For me, I think the core issue is that we too often assume the role of being a victim (always coming up with excuses, placing blame, and being in denial), instead of being a victor (taking ownership for our actions, being held accountable to such actions, and being made responsible for such actions). The poor sportsmanship expressed resulting from the Step Off (and even this discussion to some degree) makes this assertion very clear.

Personally, I am tired of being associated with those always wanting to be a victim. I'm seeking to be a victor, and I will associate with those who are victors, even if that means going against the grain. I wonder if that is why the Millenial generation has the so-called "we are the world" mentality. I wonder if Rhoyal had inquired to the students for exactly why they held the belief system that they do/did. We've come quite a ways from where we were 50-60 years ago, and people still aren't grateful for what progress has been made. That bothers me.