Nigerian Man attempts to blow up Plane

[AGDee]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

So what's going to stop the next terrorist from putting together a bomb an hour and 10 minutes before landing? Dumbest rule I've ever heard!

Nothing, but you probably won't be over American soil then.

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by AGDee

Nothing, but you probably won't be over American soil then.

In Detroit? Doubt it! Either way, we'd still have a bunch of dead Americans.

[PM_Mama00]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

In Detroit? Doubt it! Either way, we'd still have a bunch of dead Americans.

What do you mean in Detroit? That makes no sense. I'm glad you're taking a terrorist attack attempt so lightly.

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by PM_Mama00

What do you mean in Detroit? That makes no sense. I'm glad you're taking a terrorist attack attempt so lightly.

Oh don't start putting your racist mumbo jumbo crap and making me look glib (calling all Tom Cruise jokes). I certainly don't take terrorist attacks lightly, but sitting in your seat for an hour is a ridiculous solution to save us from a future attack. So is stopping men from boarding planes with arabic writing on their shirts which, if I remember correctly, you were all for! I fly at a minimum 20 weekends a year, and let me tell you, sitting in my seat for the last hour of a flight will sure make me feel so much more secure knowing some guy in the back could have some PETN bomb strapped in his underwear, but he can't get to the bathroom to detonate it.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

Oh don't start putting your racist mumbo jumbo crap and making me look glib (calling all Tom Cruise jokes). I certainly don't take terrorist attacks lightly, but sitting in your seat for an hour is a ridiculous solution to save us from a future attack. So is stopping men from boarding planes with arabic writing on their shirts which, if I remember correctly, you were all for! I fly at a minimum 20 weekends a year, and let me tell you, sitting in my seat for the last hour of a flight will sure make me feel so much more secure knowing some guy in the back could have some PETN bomb strapped in his underwear, but he can't get to the bathroom to detonate it.

Oh. snap.

[AGDee]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

In Detroit? Doubt it! Either way, we'd still have a bunch of dead Americans.

Yes, most flights coming from Europe to Detroit are only over American soil for the last hour, if that. If you blow up the plane earlier than that, you are probably over the ocean and you minimize the damage to those people actually on the plane. That was my understanding for their reasoning for the "last hour" thing. Although, so much of what the media is saying is speculation anyway.

Today, Al Quada's Yemeni wing has claimed responsibility:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2...?section=world

[agzg]

Originally Posted by AGDee

Today, Al Quada's Yemeni wing has claimed responsibility:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2...?section=world

I saw that but I doubt it. These groups claim responsibility things they have no hand in all the time.

Honestly I think he's a lone fanatic that asked someone to teach him how to do it. Had he had more support he would have succeded.

[KSUViolet06]

I read in the paper that (as of this past weekend) some indivdual airlines are now no longer allowing passengers to leave their seats or have access to their carry-on items during the last hour or so of flights. I'm not sure if this pertains to all flights or just international ones.

These aren't official TSA regulations right now, but I have a feeling something is coming soon.

I'm calling it now. We are one terrorist attack away from banning ALL carry-ons. lol.

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by AGDee

Yes, most flights coming from Europe to Detroit are only over American soil for the last hour, if that. If you blow up the plane earlier than that, you are probably over the ocean and you minimize the damage to those people actually on the plane. That was my understanding for their reasoning for the "last hour" thing. Although, so much of what the media is saying is speculation anyway.

It takes me more than an hour to fly from the east coast to Detroit when I've been there. Maybe they fly faster when coming from Europe. I stand corrected. Either way, you put together the bomb at 1hour 10 minutes, go back to your seat and detonate it closer to landing. That bomb wouldn't have made much of an impact on a city anyway. It was meant to bring down an airplane. It had enough power to blow a hole in the side of a plane. A plane at the end of a trans-atlantic flight would have little fuel and would crash killing the people on board no matter where it landed. The point of the 911 hijackings was that it involved planes with full fuel tanks that they used to crash into buildings causing major damage. This bomb was meant to terrorize like the Lockerbie bombing. It didn't even happen in the US, but that didn't terrorize us any less.

[PM_Mama00]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

It takes me more than an hour to fly from the east coast to Detroit when I've been there. Maybe they fly faster when coming from Europe. I stand corrected. Either way, you put together the bomb at 1hour 10 minutes, go back to your seat and detonate it closer to landing. That bomb wouldn't have made much of an impact on a city anyway. It was meant to bring down an airplane. It had enough power to blow a hole in the side of a plane. A plane at the end of a trans-atlantic flight would have little fuel and would crash killing the people on board no matter where it landed. The point of the 911 hijackings was that it involved planes with full fuel tanks that they used to crash into buildings causing major damage. This bomb was meant to terrorize like the Lockerbie bombing. It didn't even happen in the US, but that didn't terrorize us any less.

For one, I'm not putting my racist mumbo jumbo crap out here. When I fly, I'm leary of any creepy looking person. Timothy McVeigh was a terrorist and I'm pretty sure he was white.

And that bomb would have had MUCH impact on a city. They just reported on our news that had the bomb succeeded, it would have been over St. Claire Shores or Grosse Point.... two very residential areas. When planes crash they don't say "oh hey here's an open field, fall there", not that there'd be much open field in those two cities. And I can't believe your respect for other people's lives.

"That bomb wouldn't have made much of an impact on a city anyway. It was meant to bring down an airplane. It had enough power to blow a hole in the side of a plane. A plane at the end of a trans-atlantic flight would have little fuel and would crash killing the people on board no matter where it landed."

ARE YOU KIDDING ME? A bomb is a bomb and a terrorist is a terrorist no matter how many people are killed.

[PiKA2001]

Originally Posted by PM_Mama00

They just reported on our news that had the bomb succeeded, it would have been over St. Claire Shores or Grosse Point.... two very residential areas.

WOW! That LITERALLY hits way too close to home for me. By the way, take that E from Clair and give it to Pointe

[agzg]

Originally Posted by PM_Mama00

For one, I'm not putting my racist mumbo jumbo crap out here. When I fly, I'm leary of any creepy looking person. Timothy McVeigh was a terrorist and I'm pretty sure he was white.

That's going to be super effective, you know, since ALL terrorists look creepy, and all creepy-looking people are terrorists!

Originally Posted by PM_Mama00

And that bomb would have had MUCH impact on a city. They just reported on our news that had the bomb succeeded, it would have been over St. Claire Shores or Grosse Point.... two very residential areas. When planes crash they don't say "oh hey here's an open field, fall there", not that there'd be much open field in those two cities. And I can't believe your respect for other people's lives. ARE YOU KIDDING ME? A bomb is a bomb and a terrorist is a terrorist no matter how many people are killed.

So, do you choose one person at random in each of these threads to attack about being un-American, a terrorist sympathizer, and void of compassion for human life? Stop being such a drama queen. AOII_Angel isn't really even disagreeing with you. Get off her damned back.

Also, I get that this is scary for you, being a resident of Detroit and all, but jumping all over someone else's shit because you're scared is counterproductive. I totally understand why this stuff would freak you out, but honestly, I wish more people could think about these things logically or even be "cold" about it, because emotional responses to things like terrorism and fear of other countries wind us up in places like Iraq.

[texas*princess]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

That bomb wouldn't have made much of an impact on a city anyway. It was meant to bring down an airplane. It had enough power to blow a hole in the side of a plane. A plane at the end of a trans-atlantic flight would have little fuel and would crash killing the people on board no matter where it landed. The point of the 911 hijackings was that it involved planes with full fuel tanks that they used to crash into buildings causing major damage.

Actually, many of the news reports point out that the point of the guy detonating the bomb so close to the end of the flight wasn't just to bring the plane down, it was to bring it down in a densely populated area so that the debris and everything could cause more casualties on the ground.

[PiKA2001]

Originally Posted by texas*princess

Actually, many of the news reports point out that the point of the guy detonating the bomb so close to the end of the flight wasn't just to bring the plane down, it was to bring it down in a densely populated area so that the debris and everything could cause more casualties on the ground.

The Amsterdam to Detroit flight takes the "polar" path so most of the flight is over the north atlantic and Canada, only entering U.S. airspace the last 30 mins of the flight, hence why crazy man waited until descent to attempt to blow up the plane.

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by PM_Mama00

For one, I'm not putting my racist mumbo jumbo crap out here. When I fly, I'm leary of any creepy looking person. Timothy McVeigh was a terrorist and I'm pretty sure he was white.

Yeah, right! And where did you learn that little factoid? Care to revisit the infamous thread? http://www.greekchat.com/gcforums/sh...d.php?t=102169 Are you really afraid of white people now, too, or did we just teach you to add Timothy McVeigh to your list to throw us off? BTW, is your "friend" a Pakistani or a Palestinian now?

Originally Posted by PM_Mama00

And that bomb would have had MUCH impact on a city. They just reported on our news that had the bomb succeeded, it would have been over St. Claire Shores or Grosse Point.... two very residential areas. When planes crash they don't say "oh hey here's an open field, fall there", not that there'd be much open field in those two cities. And I can't believe your respect for other people's lives. ARE YOU KIDDING ME? A bomb is a bomb and a terrorist is a terrorist no matter how many people are killed.

Originally Posted by texas*princess

Actually, many of the news reports point out that the point of the guy detonating the bomb so close to the end of the flight wasn't just to bring the plane down, it was to bring it down in a densely populated area so that the debris and everything could cause more casualties on the ground.

I will accept and apologize for my ignorance of Detroit. But PM Mama, ARE YOU KIDDING ME? A bomb is a bomb. You are making my point. Whether we save the cities or not, we are still leaving the people in our airplanes in danger with nuts strapped with explosives with cheesy "sit in your seat for the last hour" solutions to solve an attempted terrorist plot. Was he in the bathroom when he tried to detonate the bomb? NO! Would that rule have prevented him from assembling the bomb an hour and 10 minutes before landing to go back to his seat and detonate it when he wanted? NO! The rule, as I previously said, is STUPID! The ONLY reason that plane didn't blow up was because the detonator FAILED. Not because of any security measure in place. I for one feel no safer for any safety measure thought of so far.

As for my respect for other's lives, before you question other's dedication to human life, question your own dedication. What do you do in a single year, much less a day for anyone in your xenophobic, can't get into an elevator with anyone other than a child, scared of her own shadow life than yourself? I measure my respect for other's lives in more tangible ways than respect for a dumb rule thought up on the fly after a scary near miss that also produced a thoughtless comment like, "Our system worked" from Janet Napolitano. Maybe if you thought about something beyond yourself, you might too.

Oh, and BTW, if you can't find humor in the situation or compassion for the poor Nigerian man who was ripped off the toilet and arrested for having a GI bug, than you have no soul.