Capitalist vs. Socialistic

[ilpwineg]

Originally Posted by jwright25

On many campuses, it is normal to have 40 pledges but only initiate 25. If that were to happen in NPC world, all kinds of red flags would be raised. We have to figure out who is worthy of membership in 3 or 4 nights of singing and dancing. Yes, NPC groups have standards procedures for releasing pledges who are problem-children, but if that process is used too much, it's an indication of deeper issues.

I'm from a local sorority, so maybe we are playing an entirely different game here, but this is very much so how we do recruitment/pledging. After rush, which is two weeks, every two weeks we are allowed to discuss any problems(small or large) and if someone is a serious concern we will hold a vote to discontinue their pledging process, the only other official vote in the process is the vote into I-Week. This semester we had about 75 girls come to rush over the 2 weeks(our rush events are held entirely separate from NPC's rush, but we heavily encourage researching and looking into other orgs) we ultimately handed out roughly 30-35 bids, 25 were accepted,19 girls completed the process and are now my new sisters.

I know that some people have argued that you don't really get to know pnms until after they cross over, but if you see potential problems in a girl/guy over the first 8 weeks you know them why not drop them instead of letting them spoil the bunch? The threat of them causing problems in the future seems to be a bigger concern than not having someone to bridge the quota gap. Shouldn't it be more about the quality of member you are letting in, rather that the quantity? This is something I've never really been able to wrap my head around concerning the NPC orgs on my campus, especially when I see on bid day 40+ bids handed out and then the following semester half of those girls are no where to be found because they left the org. It seems like a vicious circle of loosing members and gaining members, especially if they decided to do formal recruitment in the fall and recruitment in the spring. As much as I love recruitment and getting to know new girls, I kinda feel like a sorority/fraternity that is always concerned about how many members they have to bring in wouldn't really get to enjoy all the other benefits of being in a greek organization.

Maybe im completely off base, I never post on here, but all the talk on recruitment really interests me and I'd like to understand the NPC perspective a little more.

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by ilpwineg

I know that some people have argued that you don't really get to know pnms until after they cross over, but if you see potential problems in a girl/guy over the first 8 weeks you know them why not drop them instead of letting them spoil the bunch? The threat of them causing problems in the future seems to be a bigger concern than not having someone to bridge the quota gap. Shouldn't it be more about the quality of member you are letting in, rather that the quantity? This is something I've never really been able to wrap my head around concerning the NPC orgs on my campus, especially when I see on bid day 40+ bids handed out and then the following semester half of those girls are no where to be found because they left the org. It seems like a vicious circle of loosing members and gaining members, especially if they decided to do formal recruitment in the fall and recruitment in the spring. As much as I love recruitment and getting to know new girls, I kinda feel like a sorority/fraternity that is always concerned about how many members they have to bring in wouldn't really get to enjoy all the other benefits of being in a greek organization.

Maybe im completely off base, I never post on here, but all the talk on recruitment really interests me and I'd like to understand the NPC perspective a little more.

Yes, you will weed out more people by kicking them out before they get initiated, hazing them to get the "weak" to drop out unless they "really want it", but there is no guarantee that the women that finally get initiated will actually want to come around and spend time with women who treated them poorly before initiation. The NPC process (which differs amongst the member groups) works quite well, thank you! Our chapters do not, as you suggest, have a problem with half our new initiates not participating or actually dropping out every semester. We choose women during recruitment that are accomplished and have something to add to our chapters. They don't have to "prove" themselves to be initiated. They simply learn about our history and customs to decide if making lifetime commitments to our sisterhoods are choices they should really make.

Your process works for your organization, and I hope that hazing is not a part of that process. Personal dignity is not a characteristic that any woman should have to give up to become a part of a sisterhood.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by ilpwineg

I'm from a local sorority, so maybe we are playing an entirely different game here, but this is very much so how we do recruitment/pledging. After rush, which is two weeks, every two weeks we are allowed to discuss any problems(small or large) and if someone is a serious concern we will hold a vote to discontinue their pledging process, the only other official vote in the process is the vote into I-Week. This semester we had about 75 girls come to rush over the 2 weeks(our rush events are held entirely separate from NPC's rush, but we heavily encourage researching and looking into other orgs) we ultimately handed out roughly 30-35 bids, 25 were accepted,19 girls completed the process and are now my new sisters.

I know that some people have argued that you don't really get to know pnms until after they cross over, but if you see potential problems in a girl/guy over the first 8 weeks you know them why not drop them instead of letting them spoil the bunch? The threat of them causing problems in the future seems to be a bigger concern than not having someone to bridge the quota gap. Shouldn't it be more about the quality of member you are letting in, rather that the quantity? This is something I've never really been able to wrap my head around concerning the NPC orgs on my campus, especially when I see on bid day 40+ bids handed out and then the following semester half of those girls are no where to be found because they left the org. It seems like a vicious circle of loosing members and gaining members, especially if they decided to do formal recruitment in the fall and recruitment in the spring. As much as I love recruitment and getting to know new girls, I kinda feel like a sorority/fraternity that is always concerned about how many members they have to bring in wouldn't really get to enjoy all the other benefits of being in a greek organization.

Maybe im completely off base, I never post on here, but all the talk on recruitment really interests me and I'd like to understand the NPC perspective a little more.

Do you know for sure that the girls are dropping out of the NPCs in that great of numbers or are you just using hyperbole?

Quite frankly, if you have a TWO WEEK rush and you're still having girls drop or having to vote them out during pledgeship, something's rotten in Denmark. You all should have a better gague after all that time of whether someone is right for your group.