Obama destroys another neighborhood.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by KSig RC

So it's really a legal imperative to build "affordable housing" in "affluent areas" now? That seems like the most un-American thing possible, doesn't it? Property values (and, thus, apartment rent etc.) should be a market function, and one of the last pure ones left.

Integration is a good thing, clearly, but this doesn't change the underlying problems at all - in fact, it might exacerbate them. Instead of changing the area code distribution, let's work on changing the number of minorities who find themselves in the upper reaches of the wealth curve. I suppose there will be ancillary benefit (presumably better education for those who move into the new housing), but that seems like a LOT of work for very marginal gain. Is this even a "baby step" so to speak? Shouldn't we focus on larger issues?

Besides this - is there any evidence that forced integration like this actually works to positive effect?

I don't think so. And what's going to stop current residents from leaving and forming new communities? That'll make this entire initiative moot.

I don't like the look of this.

[kish2]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

I don't think so. And what's going to stop current residents from leaving and forming new communities? That'll make this entire initiative moot.

I don't like the look of this.

Of course they will leave. Who would want to stay after the schools are destroyed, crime increases and the neighborhood is covered with litter and grafitti?

Even George Jefferson moved to the big apartment in the sky as soon as he got some money.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by kish2

Of course they will leave. Who would want to stay after the schools are destroyed, crime increases and the neighborhood is covered with litter and grafitti?

Even George Jefferson moved to the big apartment in the sky as soon as he got some money.

I sure would hate to see a city destroyed by grafitti. Thank God for school systems like the one you went through.

[kish2]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

I sure would hate to see a city destroyed by grafitti. Thank God for school systems like the one you went through.

You probably like grafitti, crime, and lousy schools.

People like you don't care about grafitti because you have no pride.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by kish2

You probably like grafitti, crime, and lousy schools.

People like you don't care about grafitti becuse you have no pride.

If I knew what grafitti was, I might be able to dispute your claim.

I'm not a fan of graffiti, though. Spelling was one of the cornerstones of my "lousy" education.

[kish2]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

If I knew what grafitti was, I might be able to dispute your claim.

I'm not a fan of graffiti, though. Spelling was one of the cornerstones of my "lousy" education.

Is that all you have, a spelling error?

If I spelled it correct would that change the facts of the arguement?

Now that you can spell how about taking care of your kids and getting a job?

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by kish2

Is that all you have, a spelling error?

If I spelled it correct would that change the facts of the arguement?

Now that you can spell how about taking care of your kids and getting a job?

Is that all you have? Taking care of kids and George Jefferson moving on up?

Now that we've discussed this, how about picking up a dictionary? Covered in grafitti, of course.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by kish2

Is that all you have, a spelling error?

If I spelled it correct would that change the facts of the arguement?

No, we have grammar errors as well. The word is correctly.

And sorry, but I don't consider posting a story, from the Huffington Post no less, and then thumping your chest and saying "yeah" to be an "arguement," much less an argument.

[Munchkin03]

Originally Posted by kish2

Is that all you have, a spelling error?

If I spelled it correct would that change the facts of the arguement?

Maybe if you had spelled it correctly, it wouldn't have been such a problem.

Go away madmax, before someone finds hazing porn written by you.

[lovespink88]

Originally Posted by kish2

You probably like grafitti, crime, and lousy schools.

People like you don't care about grafitti because you have no pride.

Dude.........get a life.

[kish2]

Originally Posted by lovespink88

Dude.........get a life.

Do you have a problem with the truth?


What is a bigger issue, a group of people destroying schools and neighborhoods or me pointing out that they destroyed the schools?

Do you like living in a ghetto?

[lovespink88]

Originally Posted by kish2

Do you have a problem with the truth?


What is a bigger issue, a group of people destroying schools and neighborhoods or me pointing out that they destroyed the schools?

Do you like living in a ghetto?

No, what I have a problem with is people who get banned from forums and feel the need to come back under new usernames simply for the purpose of trying to start some sort of political debate. Like I said before, get a life.

I live in a really great neighborhood, by the way. I'm willing to bet it's a lot nicer than yours.

/hijack
k_s, love your siggy.

[rhoyaltempest]

Originally Posted by kish2

Of course they will leave. Who would want to stay after the schools are destroyed, crime increases and the neighborhood is covered with litter and grafitti?

Even George Jefferson moved to the big apartment in the sky as soon as he got some money.

So you admit that the problem is linked to poverty? Like I told you before (madmax) there are poor Whites, Latinos, Blacks, etc. living in ghettos or poor neighborhoods so stop trying to attach race to this argument. I can name some ghettos in Philly where poor Whites live and these areas look no different from where poor Blacks live and have many of the same issues like crime. In case you didn't know, White folks can be thugs too. I have been in these poor White neighborhoods I'm refering to (when I was younger) and when I saw a group of young White boys together (late at night) looking like they were up to no good (and they usually were), I crossed the street. Research that.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by rhoyaltempest

So you admit that the problem is linked to poverty? Like I told you before (madmax) there are poor Whites, Latinos, Blacks, etc. living in ghettos or poor neighborhoods so stop trying to attach race to this argument. I can name some ghettos in Philly where poor Whites live and these areas look no different from where poor Blacks live. Research that.

Race is a correlate of social class and poverty.

Blacks are disproportionately poor.

Black and Hispanic poverty is documented to be substantially different than, and arguably worse than, white poverty in terms of the lack of inter- and intragenerational mobility, among other things.

These sentiments and "truths" are the foundation for many initiatives and programs. "We" can't support the above statements when it suits "us" but disagree with them when someone like madmax says them in a fashion to get a rise out of people.

[rhoyaltempest]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Race is a correlate of social class and poverty.

Blacks are disproportionately poor.

Black and Hispanic poverty is documented to be substantially different than, and arguably worse than, white poverty in terms of the lack of inter- and intragenerational mobility, among other things.

These sentiments and "truths" are the foundation for many initiatives and programs. "We" can't support the above statements when it suits "us" but disagree with them when someone like madmax says them in a fashion to get a rise out of people.

I understand the points you're making but I'm going by my personal experiences, which is why I edited my post. For someone to just generalize as if crime doesn't exist in other neighborhoods or that ghettos only include Black folks is just false. I can remember being 13-14 whenever staying at my cousin's house in South Philly (lots of Italians in South Philly) and not going into an Italian neighborhood after a certain time due to crime, including racial. I'm not saying this is always the case but it definitely goes down. I just don't respect people that make broad generalizations; I have no problem with madmax's point of view, if only he didn't talk out of his ass and stuck to the facts.