Jon and Kate Plus Eight

[33girl]

Originally Posted by PM_Mama00

I've been personally affected by a "Kate". I've seen a "Kate" treat a "Jon" the same way and it's really sad. It's when a "Jon" finally sticks up for themself, that problems in the marriage start.

If this were the other way around and Jon were treating Kate like that, all you (general) women would be crying mental abuse, but since it's a woman doing it to a man, it means she's got a "strong personality" and he's a tool/douchebag/etc. A woman can have a strong personality and not belittle her husband, being a complete bitch to him in front of their kids.

Freaking amen. I'm so over these castrating "women" (I don't even want to claim them in my gender).

[PM_Mama00]

Originally Posted by OTW

That's really sad to wish that for someone. I really hope these kids continue to love their mother despite what people like you think of her.

I would never wish that on someone, on the benefit of the children. No child, no matter what age, should have to deal with hating their parents. Before this whole debacle, before Jon started acting like a douchebag, Kate treated him like crap. Maybe had they cut the show, supposedly like Jon had wanted, then it wouldn't have gotten to this point. No matter how much I dislike someone, I'd never wish them bad.

Originally Posted by gee_ess

As in most divorces, there is fault on both sides, and this case is no different. Both of these people have a TON of baggage - some of which Jon touched on when mentioning his alcoholic father, another is whatever is the situation with Kate and her estranged family. IMO, and I am sure I will be flamed for this, anyone who has relationship issues as large as these two do with their own siblings and family members, is going to have one heck of a time maintaining a healthy marriage unless they get help.

They needed marriage counseling - Jon says he has gone and she has refused. I don't know what the truth is, but at the very least, if they had gotten some sort of counseling about their own personal issues, then they might have been in an emotionally good place to work on their marital issues. As it stands, they both still need independent counseling sessions to prepare for the problems they are undoubtedly going to have with their children.

Kate is overbearing and Jon is immature. Both are selfish.

I was just thinking about their families. If it's that bad that your own family turns their back on you, and from what we've read earlier in this thread that their church did too (or that they thought badly of her? can't remember), that's pretty sad.