Jon and Kate Plus Eight

[ForeverRoses]

I saw Jon on GMA this morning, and I now understand why Kate treated him the way she did.

Jon is a idiotic jerk. Maybe she did belittle him, but if he was like this when they were married, no wonder she did!

Do he even realize that anything he says can be brought up during the divorce procedings? Saying you "Dispise" your children's mother on national TV before anything is final? At least Kate has had enough sense to side step those questions.

[KSUViolet06]

I seriously think that Jon is secretly 21 on the inside, and has been all along.

I get the feeling that Kate was kind of trying to get him to "grow up" for most of their marriage (hence all of the nagging, yelling, etc). Like she had a plan for what she wanted their life and marriage to be and he just kind of went along with it.

I'm pretty sure deep down she knew "god my husband is totally immature, an underachiever and not too keen on being a father of 8 and working in corporate America everyday, but I can change him."

Too often women marry these types of men, thinking that they can "make them" into the type of husband/dad that they want, Nope. It never works.

[KSUViolet06]

Double posting but I ended up DVRing his appearance on ABC this evening (like a 20/20 special or something) and I ended up turning it off halfway through.

I get that he is not the most media-savvy man on the planet, but really, certain things just don't need to be said on TV while you're in the middle of a divorce.

Also, there are some things that DEFINITELY DON'T need to be on film for your KIDS to potentially see someday.

Whether you feel that way or not, do you really want your kids to hear how much you despise their mother? Or that you "love Haley more than you did Kate?" or how "it's important for you to defend the woman you love" or that she's your soulmate." Geez.

The interviews just strike me as inappropriate. I couldn't help wondering "what if the kids see this?"

I just don't think that either of them are particularly thinking of the fact that they might see what's being said.

[PM_Mama00]

No matter what Jon says or does, I still think Kate is a heartless, unnecessary bitch. Someone needs to slap a little niceness and a warm heart into her. I don't care if she has 8 kids. That's their OWN fault (or the doctors'). Just because you have kids doesn't give you the excuse to be a raging bitch. Look at teachers! They deal with people's kids all day. Sure they can turn them over to the parents at the end of the day, but they have restrictions on what they can and can't do to punish those children. Do you see every teacher being a raging bitch? No.

If I were Jon I'd cheat on her ugly ass too. I heard she cut her hair. God I hope so.

Originally Posted by PM_Mama00

No matter what Jon says or does, I still think Kate is a heartless, unnecessary bitch. Someone needs to slap a little niceness and a warm heart into her. I don't care if she has 8 kids. That's their OWN fault (or the doctors'). Just because you have kids doesn't give you the excuse to be a raging bitch. Look at teachers! They deal with people's kids all day. Sure they can turn them over to the parents at the end of the day, but they have restrictions on what they can and can't do to punish those children. Do you see every teacher being a raging bitch? No.

If I were Jon I'd cheat on her ugly ass too. I heard she cut her hair. God I hope so.

Wow...hanging out at Gosselins Without Pity, are we?

I don't think anyone is to "blame" for having 8 kids. If a couple really wanted so bad to be parents, who's to stop them from having kids? I don't think either of them knew that a) they'd get a hit reality show, b) have their lives turned upside down, or c) that they'd split up when they went in for fertility treatments.

If Jon really wanted to be with another woman, at least dump her first. There is no excuse and no good reason to cheat on your spouse.

Phyllis, are you okay? This anger and hatred toward someone on reality TV is very unlike you.

[KSigkid]

Originally Posted by OTW

Wow...hanging out at Gosselins Without Pity, are we?

I don't think anyone is to "blame" for having 8 kids. If a couple really wanted so bad to be parents, who's to stop them from having kids? I don't think either of them knew that a) they'd get a hit reality show, b) have their lives turned upside down, or c) that they'd split up when they went in for fertility treatments.

If Jon really wanted to be with another woman, at least dump her first. There is no excuse and no good reason to cheat on your spouse.

Phyllis, are you okay? This anger and hatred toward someone on reality TV is very unlike you.

I don't blame them for having the kids...it wasn't their aim to have this many, and let's face it, stuff happens. I don't understand all of the science behind fertility treatments, but I know that there can be some unpredictability with the process.

I also understand some of the reasons they did the series - Jon didn't have much education and wasn't in a secure position professionally, and it was a way for them to provide for their children. Having that many kids is expensive, and if you can do something to make more money and give them better lives...I totally get that.

But...I don't think that they are blameless as to what has happened. There's only so much creative control that you retain (unless you're a producer, etc.). If you're going to start a reality show that centers around how you raise your kids, you need to realize that there will be some negative reactions. It's a big commitment.

I would think that would be part of the thought process if you're deciding to go on a reality show. How is it going to affect my life going forward? How will it affect the lives of my family and friends? In this case, how will it affect the kids? Do the negatives outweigh the positives?

I just don't think they can come back and criticize a process and series of results that they helped to create.

[PM_Mama00]

Originally Posted by OTW

Wow...hanging out at Gosselins Without Pity, are we?

I don't think anyone is to "blame" for having 8 kids. If a couple really wanted so bad to be parents, who's to stop them from having kids? I don't think either of them knew that a) they'd get a hit reality show, b) have their lives turned upside down, or c) that they'd split up when they went in for fertility treatments.

If Jon really wanted to be with another woman, at least dump her first. There is no excuse and no good reason to cheat on your spouse.

Phyllis, are you okay? This anger and hatred toward someone on reality TV is very unlike you.

I've been personally affected by a "Kate". I've seen a "Kate" treat a "Jon" the same way and it's really sad. It's when a "Jon" finally sticks up for themself, that problems in the marriage start.

If this were the other way around and Jon were treating Kate like that, all you (general) women would be crying mental abuse, but since it's a woman doing it to a man, it means she's got a "strong personality" and he's a tool/douchebag/etc. A woman can have a strong personality and not belittle her husband, being a complete bitch to him in front of their kids. How do you think the kids would respect the father if that had continued? One day these kids will look back, maybe see the episodes, and see their mother for what she is. A heartless bitch.

[KSUViolet06]

Originally Posted by PM_Mama00

One day these kids will look back, maybe see the episodes, and see their mother for what she is. A heartless bitch.

Yikes.

Really now?

I don't even feel that way about people I know in REAL life. I'd never wish for the kids to hate either of them.

I will say that whether you love her or hate her, Kate definitely ends up looking like the smarter one when she appears on TV by avoiding certain questions and having "canned" answers.

People are reacting to Jon more simply because he is putting more out there in the media and doesn't appear to be concerned with projecting a certain image. If she were doing the same thing, she'd be receiving the samr types of reactions from people.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by PM_Mama00

I've been personally affected by a "Kate". I've seen a "Kate" treat a "Jon" the same way and it's really sad. It's when a "Jon" finally sticks up for themself, that problems in the marriage start.

If this were the other way around and Jon were treating Kate like that, all you (general) women would be crying mental abuse, but since it's a woman doing it to a man, it means she's got a "strong personality" and he's a tool/douchebag/etc. A woman can have a strong personality and not belittle her husband, being a complete bitch to him in front of their kids.

Freaking amen. I'm so over these castrating "women" (I don't even want to claim them in my gender).

[Kappamd]

Originally Posted by PM_Mama00

No matter what Jon says or does, I still think Kate is a heartless, unnecessary bitch. Someone needs to slap a little niceness and a warm heart into her. I don't care if she has 8 kids. That's their OWN fault (or the doctors'). Just because you have kids doesn't give you the excuse to be a raging bitch. Look at teachers! They deal with people's kids all day. Sure they can turn them over to the parents at the end of the day, but they have restrictions on what they can and can't do to punish those children. Do you see every teacher being a raging bitch? No.

If I were Jon I'd cheat on her ugly ass too. I heard she cut her hair. God I hope so.

I would be a bitch too if my husband was as massive a tool as Jon.

I'm probably going to get flamed, but I like Kate Gosselin. Yes, she has a strong personality, but I think she is strong woman, a woman who truly does love her kids and wants the best for them (contrary to what the tabloids report). Those kids could do a lot worse than to have Kate as their mom.