Dr. Henry Louis Gates Arrested

[Dreadloc'd Diva]

Let me guess,Dr.Phil...you're a card-carrying Republican?

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Because you subscribe to political divisiveness.



He's the only current president. As with presidents before him, there should be no obvious disclaimers of "well, the president isn't perfect" or "he isn't the only politician with this issue."

Luckily for everyone, Obama's approval ratings are declining as reality has sunk in and the public is taking off the kiddie gloves. That happened before the first 5 months for some of the other presidents.

[agzg]

Originally Posted by Dreadloc'd Diva

Let me guess,Dr.Phil...you're a card-carrying Republican?

Why would that matter at all? Several other posters have made the point that no matter what anyone's political affiliation, it's a valid criticism.

Stop trying to cause drama or partisanship on this board.

[Dreadloc'd Diva]

No leader of any nation is perfect. However,Obama hasn't been given the chance to do what he promised,and it's not even 2012 yet. At least he's doing the best he can under very...tense times. He's trying to clean up two wars and the economy,which is an ugly mess that Bush left behind. So before we pass judgment on Obama..give him a chance.

Originally Posted by agzg

Why would that matter at all? Several other posters have made the point that no matter what anyone's political affiliation, it's a valid criticism.

Stop trying to cause drama or partisanship on this board.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by Dreadloc'd Diva

No leader of any nation is perfect. However,Obama hasn't been given the chance to do what he promised,and it's not even 2012 yet. At least he's doing the best he can under very...tense times. He's trying to clean up two wars and the economy,which is an ugly mess that Bush left behind. So before we pass judgment on Obama..give him a chance.

If you are striving for people to be fair to Obama, then you might want to re-think whether Bush and his policies were solely responsible for leaving the economy in a mess.

If you're going to use the-buck-stops-with-the-President standard for Bush, then you're going to have to expect other people to use it with Obama.

ETA: what's Obama doing to clean up the two wars?

[Dreadloc'd Diva]

First of all,I hated Bush and everything he stood for! Second of all,didn't Obama ask for bi-paritisanship when he got in office? All he is getting is Republicans bitching about one thing or another!

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

If you are striving for people to be fair to Obama, then you might want to re-think whether Bush and his policies were solely responsible for leaving the economy in a mess.

If you're going to use the-buck-stops-with-the-President standard for Bush, then you're going to have to expect other people to use it with Obama.

[SWTXBelle]

WHOOSH

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by SWTXBelle

WHOOSH

Thank you for this.

[KSigkid]

Originally Posted by Dreadloc'd Diva

First of all,I hated Bush and everything he stood for! Second of all,didn't Obama ask for bi-paritisanship when he got in office? All he is getting is Republicans bitching about one thing or another!

Just because Obama asked for bipartisanship doesn't mean that he's entitled to absolute agreement on every piece of legislation he pushes, or every piece of policy he supports. Every President asks for bipartisanship, and every President points out when the other side is holding up the works - however there's nothing saying that the other party is required to back the President if they think he's advocating measures that aren't in the best interests in the country.

It's all a give and take, a series of checks and balances.

ETA: He has gotten bipartisanship, although maybe not in the way he intended...haven't both Democrats and Republicans come out against the healthcare legislation?

[Dreadloc'd Diva]

You make an excellent point,but the fact is cleaning up two wars and the economy requires unity,and it seems to me that there is very little bipartisanship.

Originally Posted by KSigkid

Just because Obama asked for bipartisanship doesn't mean that he's entitled to absolute agreement on every piece of legislation he pushes, or every piece of policy he supports. Every President asks for bipartisanship, and every President points out when the other side is holding up the works - however there's nothing saying that the other party is required to back the President if they think he's advocating measures that aren't in the best interests in the country.

It's all a give and take, a series of checks and balances.

ETA: He has gotten bipartisanship, although maybe not in the way he intended...haven't both Democrats and Republicans come out against the healthcare legislation?

[SWTXBelle]

What does that have to do with his rhetorical style? Are all the press conferences the first year considered mulligans? Was he not aware when he ran for the job that he would be dealing with the economy and two wars?When do we get to hold him accountable for his campaign speeches? What constitutes "enough time"? Is he not to be judged until 2012?

(rhetorical questions, btw)

[Dreadloc'd Diva]

Even after Obama was elected,Republicans were talking about 2012. The way I see it,the GOP is looking for the right time when his icy facade melts,and then they'll strike. The GOP knows that their party is weakened,and they are desperate to get back into power.

Originally Posted by SWTXBelle

What does that have to do with his rhetorical style? Are all the press conferences the first year considered mulligans? Was he not aware when he ran for the job that he would be dealing with the economy and two wars?When do we get to hold him accountable for his campaign speeches? What constitutes "enough time"? Is he not to be judged until 2012?

(rhetorical questions, btw)

[SWTXBelle]

Originally Posted by Dreadloc'd Diva

Even after Obama was elected,Republicans were talking about 2012. The way I see it,the GOP is looking for the right time when his icy facade melts,and then they'll strike. The GOP knows that their party is weakened,and they are desperate to get back into power.

Okay, I stated the questions were rhetorical, but if you are going to then quote them, you should address them and not go off on some tangent regarding when the Republicans might hope to come back into power.

After ANY party loses an election, they look ahead to the next election cycle. Actually, both parties look ahead - that's what they do. Both parties aren't even waiting until 2012 - they are focusing on the 2010 elections. That has NOTHING to do with the timeline for being able to hold Obama responsible for what he promised during the campaign.

[KSigkid]

Originally Posted by SWTXBelle

After ANY party loses an election, they look ahead to the next election cycle. Actually, both parties look ahead - that's what they do. Both parties aren't even waiting until 2012 - they are focusing on the 2010 elections. That has NOTHING to do with the timeline for being able to hold Obama responsible for what he promised during the campaign.

I would even go so far as to say it would be irresponsible for a party not to look ahead to the mid-terms and next Presidential election after a defeat. The party has to re-examine where it went wrong and do everything it can to make sure the next election cycle is a better one.

The Republicans did it after Clinton won, the Dems did it after Bush won...it's just the way politics goes.

[Munchkin03]

Originally Posted by Dreadloc'd Diva

No leader of any nation is perfect. However,Obama hasn't been given the chance to do what he promised,and it's not even 2012 yet. At least he's doing the best he can under very...tense times. He's trying to clean up two wars and the economy,which is an ugly mess that Bush left behind. So before we pass judgment on Obama..give him a chance.

So, maybe with a two-front war on terrorism and an economy that's in the shitter, our Chief Executive should focus on those issues and not his old buddy Skip.

Also, if you have any historical context about the causes for the economy, President Bush shares just about the same amount of the blame as President Clinton.

Whatever happens with Professor Gates will happen regardless of what the Great Brown Hope has to say about it.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Dreadloc'd Diva

Let me guess,Dr.Phil...you're a card-carrying Republican?

How about you respond to the substance of our posts instead of playing the guessing game and trying to decide if you consider us among the cool people.