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Old 07-13-2009, 05:33 PM
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Why is it staggering? How do you know? You don't.

You simply assume that if a person of color applies to a country club and is rejected, it was because of race. You don't know that to be true. It could be because no one knows the person's family. It could be because of some professional squabble. Could be anything. But for whatever reason, you hone in on race. Not everything is about race.
Of course this is ALWAYS the excuse.

I wonder why this excuse is never used when people are accusing blacks of getting into a school based on AA instead of their credentials? How do they KNOW it is AA?

This type of excuse is absurd because you can simply look at the history of the club. If they have NO black members or only one or two, then that's clue right there. Not to mention the fact that you can look at the credentials of the blacks who apply and make a comparison to the credentials of those who are already members. Earl Graves was turned down for membership by an all-white club. Based on my understanding, Earl Graves had credentials that actually surpassed those of some people who were already members. Whether membership is subjective or not, if you have someone who se excellent credentials and who can clearly more than afford to pay any dues, if that person is black and the club doesn't have any other black members, you can pretty much bet the rejection was because they were black.

I would never try to join that type of organization. And sometimes I know they will allow one or two blacks that are considered to be the "good negroes" for purposes of trying to say they aren't racist. Then in many cases they will put severe limits on the membership benefits that can be enjoyed by these members.

You should read "Member of the Club" by Lawrence Otis Graham.
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Old 07-13-2009, 06:03 PM
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You should read "Member of the Club" by Lawrence Otis Graham.
http://thisrecording.com/books/2009/...st-be-new.html

Read the preview. Seems like an intriguing book. Based on what I heard there, assuming I had the social standing to qualify to join that place, I wouldn't choose to cast my lot with them. The behavior of those members and the management of the club was, IMHO, disgraceful.

As to the Earl Graves, Sr. issue, again, even there, we don't know what happened behind closed doors. For all any of us knows, he wasn't selected because he's a Democrat or because his magazine published something someone didn't like. I, like you, don't have a hard time guessing that race was a major factor, but I don't know that for sure.

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I would never try to join that type of organization. And sometimes I know they will allow one or two blacks that are considered to be the "good negroes" for purposes of trying to say they aren't racist. Then in many cases they will put severe limits on the membership benefits that can be enjoyed by these members.
All I can say is that not all private clubs are the same. If you feel your a token admission, you may be. On the other hand, you could simply be the first well qualified AA person to apply.

The same advice we give to aspirants of our various organizations applies in this scenario as well: Do your research.
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