Private Pool Bans Minority Campers

AKA_Monet · #1 07-13-2009, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Kevin

Why is it staggering? How do you know? You don't.

You simply assume that if a person of color applies to a country club and is rejected, it was because of race. You don't know that to be true. It could be because no one knows the person's family. It could be because of some professional squabble. Could be anything. But for whatever reason, you hone in on race. Not everything is about race.

But as a person of color, you don't know if is NOT true... How come my family has to be judged to join a recreational facility? How come my career interactions have to come into play when requesting joining? It could be anything and it could be honed into race...

You are right, true, not everything is about race... At the same time, people of color who want to join these locations are not thinking that their race would be a factor in their joining, either...

But something as a blatant disregard to taking nearly ~$2000 of an inner city's organization's money where they find a way swim is not the time to have "hissy fit" about the activity. As, I understand it, if some of the club members felt that way about children, they needed to voice their opinions to the owners well beyond taking the contracted money rather than say it directly to the children...

I have been kicked out of a pool because I was Black in Alabama in the early 1980's. So I actually do know how these kids feel. And for someone like me to enjoy the water like I do, like a fish, it was painful to have to undergo that humiliation as a child.

Taualumna · #2 07-13-2009, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

But as a person of color, you don't know if is NOT true... How come my family has to be judged to join a recreational facility? How come my career interactions have to come into play when requesting joining? It could be anything and it could be honed into race...

You are right, true, not everything is about race... At the same time, people of color who want to join these locations are not thinking that their race would be a factor in their joining, either...

But something as a blatant disregard to taking nearly ~$2000 of an inner city's organization's money where they find a way swim is not the time to have "hissy fit" about the activity. As, I understand it, if some of the club members felt that way about children, they needed to voice their opinions to the owners well beyond taking the contracted money rather than say it directly to the children...

I have been kicked out of a pool because I was Black in Alabama in the early 1980's. So I actually do know how these kids feel. And for someone like me to enjoy the water like I do, like a fish, it was painful to have to undergo that humiliation as a child.

Doesn't every family have to go through an application process, including interview and reference letters for most country/yacht/social clubs? I thought that was the normal process???

AKA_Monet · #3 07-13-2009, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Taualumna

Doesn't every family have to go through an application process, including interview and reference letters for most country/yacht/social clubs? I thought that was the normal process???

Why in the United States? I know the ability to pay is questioned because you do have groundkeeping/docking/mooring fees. But as far as references for country/yacht, I am not a member, and I would not want to be a member. But, some people of family are due to their professional statures.

Taualumna · #4 07-13-2009, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

Why in the United States? I know the ability to pay is questioned because you do have groundkeeping/docking/mooring fees. But as far as references for country/yacht, I am not a member, and I would not want to be a member. But, some people of family are due to their professional statures.

But it's not only about the ability to pay. It's about fit as well. Do you want Britney Spears as a member in a club (well, back in her crazy days, anyway)? Britney may be in the spotlight, but there are people LIKE her who aren't. And yes, someone can write a bad ref letter for you.

AKA_Monet · #5 07-13-2009, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Taualumna

But it's not only about the ability to pay. It's about fit as well. Do you want Britney Spears as a member in a club (well, back in her crazy days, anyway)? Britney may be in the spotlight, but there are people LIKE her who aren't. And yes, someone can write a bad ref letter for you.

Apples meet Oranges...

I am sorry, I am unable to connect those dots. What does this have to do joining a country/yacht club?

I've already said I am not a member of one. So what can I add to their membership process?

Taualumna · #6 07-13-2009, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

Apples meet Oranges...

I am sorry, I am unable to connect those dots. What does this have to do joining a country/yacht club?

I've already said I am not a member of one. So what can I add to their membership process?

So you're saying that clubs should take anyone, as long as they can pay?

AKA_Monet · #7 07-13-2009, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Taualumna

So you're saying that clubs should take anyone, as long as they can pay?

LOL! Seriously, you'd think I wrote Holy Biblical scripture with all that inference added!

deepimpact2 · #8 07-13-2009, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Taualumna

But it's not only about the ability to pay. It's about fit as well. Do you want Britney Spears as a member in a club (well, back in her crazy days, anyway)? Britney may be in the spotlight, but there are people LIKE her who aren't. And yes, someone can write a bad ref letter for you.

And it just so happens that NO black people "fit?" LMAO right.

Taualumna · #9 07-13-2009, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by deepimpact2

And it just so happens that NO black people "fit?" LMAO right.

You don't know that...and what if no black people seek membership?

Kevin · #10 07-13-2009, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

But as a person of color, you don't know if is NOT true...

But you don't know that it's not not true. As far as judging your family, career interactions, etc., that's probably not going to happen at a lot of places, but some clubs are only able to keep their membership fees at a certain level and paying members because those members want the prestige of belonging to a highly selective organization. At some of these places, absolutely everything is under the microscope. And typically, belonging will have positive impact on your business opportunities, etc. Other places are just happy to have anyone as a member.

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But something as a blatant disregard to taking nearly ~$2000 of an inner city's organization's money where they find a way swim is not the time to have "hissy fit" about the activity. As, I understand it, if some of the club members felt that way about children, they needed to voice their opinions to the owners well beyond taking the contracted money rather than say it directly to the children...

I have been kicked out of a pool because I was Black in Alabama in the early 1980's. So I actually do know how these kids feel. And for someone like me to enjoy the water like I do, like a fish, it was painful to have to undergo that humiliation as a child.

Well, it hasn't even been established that the rejection for these kids was racially motivated. That's an inference you can definitely draw from what was said, but it's hardly the only conclusion you can reach. I'm not giving my blessing to racism by any means. I'm just saying that there's not a hell of a lot that can be done about it when it's not overt and express.

AKA_Monet · #11 07-13-2009, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Kevin

But you don't know that it's not not true. As far as judging your family, career interactions, etc., that's probably not going to happen at a lot of places, but some clubs are only able to keep their membership fees at a certain level and paying members because those members want the prestige of belonging to a highly selective organization. At some of these places, absolutely everything is under the microscope. And typically, belonging will have positive impact on your business opportunities, etc. Other places are just happy to have anyone as a member.

Well, it hasn't even been established that the rejection for these kids was racially motivated. That's an inference you can definitely draw from what was said, but it's hardly the only conclusion you can reach. I'm not giving my blessing to racism by any means. I'm just saying that there's not a hell of a lot that can be done about it when it's not overt and express.

Why put myself through the torture in thinking I am never going to be good enough to join a "country club" if that was my measurement of success?

As far as the pool in Philadelphia, the owners probably did not think that. However, they are being judged by the company they keep and "birds of a feather, flock together". That doesn't mean it is fair assessment, but nonetheless, it doesn't mean that the owners are saving face either.

I mean really, they didn't scrub the pool after these kids left, which would have added insult to injury, which often happened after someone Black who plopped a pinky-toe into the pool water...

Ironically, the only sign they needed is this one:

"NOTICE OUR 'OOL'--NOTICE THERE'S NO 'P' IN IT! LET'S KEEP IT THAT WAY!!!"

rhoyaltempest · #12 07-13-2009, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Kevin

But you don't know that it's not not true. As far as judging your family, career interactions, etc., that's probably not going to happen at a lot of places, but some clubs are only able to keep their membership fees at a certain level and paying members because those members want the prestige of belonging to a highly selective organization. At some of these places, absolutely everything is under the microscope. And typically, belonging will have positive impact on your business opportunities, etc. Other places are just happy to have anyone as a member.

Well, it hasn't even been established that the rejection for these kids was racially motivated. That's an inference you can definitely draw from what was said, but it's hardly the only conclusion you can reach. I'm not giving my blessing to racism by any means. I'm just saying that there's not a hell of a lot that can be done about it when it's not overt and express.

Why else would anyone give back nearly $2000 AFTER seeing new faces??? This case is certifiable.

DaemonSeid · #13 07-13-2009, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

How come my career interactions have to come into play when requesting joining? It could be anything and it could be honed into race...

Net work ing

AKA_Monet · #14 07-13-2009, 08:02 PM

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Net work ing

DS, I respectfully disagree in this day and age. Back in the day that was true.

Networking is critical today, but how these days? In the Twitterverse? LOL!

DaemonSeid · #15 07-13-2009, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

DS, I respectfully disagree in this day and age. Back in the day that was true.

Networking is critical today, but how these days? In the Twitterverse? LOL!

LOL...and I really don't use twitter...

When I mean networking...it's not always in the conventional sense...some 'clubs' and groups still like to be able to 'self segregate' so they can let their hair down...why not?