Rapper Jay Z says "No more white lies, my president is black!"

[DrPhil]

Since race is a social construction, being biracial has never mattered before as much as it matters (to white people) now.

Biracial blacks were lynched, hosed down, attacked by dogs, called slurs, had to sit in the back of the bus, drank from "colored only" water fountains, been denied jobs, told they couldn't wed whites......

And today, biracial blacks are part of the structure of racism. Obama isn't "less black" because he's biracial just as his family isn't any less of a "black family."

[pinkies up]

Originally Posted by PM_Mama00

Usually when one parents is one race, and the other parent is another race, it's called Bi-racial. Would you like me to look that up for you?

I am biracial, half-white, etc.. but, I would look like a fool walking around claiming white. No matter what, I will be looked at as a black woman. (and PROUD of it, I might add...)

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by PhiGam

One on level it bothers me because I personally would never associate an entire race of people with something negative. I think we can all agree that doing so is racist.
On another level it bothers me because I never like when celebrities use their status to get involved with politics. Especially when they say things that are (as Dr. Phil already said) dumb.

Celebs have done it for years...where have you been?

And what was negative about what he said?

No more negative that all the slurs that the extreme right hype machine has pushed all last year to scare people into not voting for him.

Hmmm...

He's Muslim
He's Anti America
He a "Magic Negro"
He looks like Curious George....

and some of this bullshit has been perped by celebs who used their status to push their message.

You see where this is going?

Obviously you haven't listened to enough hip hop, rap and R and B, shit for that matter MUSIC, to know that many times artists have used the platform to talk about the government, if you are making statements like that.


Try some John Lennon or Marvin Gaye.

If you want something a little more current, try Public Enemy.

More current than that try Nas.

Originally Posted by PhiGam

That article didn't really speak to the racist remarks- it simply is predicting the rebirth of hip hop. I hope that he does spark a re-birth of hip hop but I hope that the results of this rebirth won't contain these kind of lyrics. If Jay-Z were to write a song about his happiness on election day (or something along those lines" then that would be a different story.
Admittedly, the more I think about it the more I realize that I was probably wrong to be angry about Jay Z speaking out as it was clearly at a political event.
That being said, I still find the content of the speech to be racist and offensive.

Maybe because it wasn't racist?

Originally Posted by PM_Mama00

The last time I heard of a politician being "hip-hop" was Kwame Kilpatrick. And we all know how that ended.

I'll respect hip-hop when they stop singing about their lollipops and smacking a bitches ass. There was once a time when I actually was really into rap, but with this crap out there now I just can't respect it. And as much as I hate Kanye West, I do like his new stuff... but I can't and will never respect him.

As for Jay Z's comment, it should NOT matter what color the president is, or if it were Hilary's case, what gender. I think that's where the anger comes from.

And he's really not the first African American President. Last time I checked his mom was white.

So what is he then?

[I.A.S.K.]

Originally Posted by PhiGam

One on level it bothers me because I personally would never associate an entire race of people with something negative. I think we can all agree that doing so is racist.
On another level it bothers me because I never like when celebrities use their status to get involved with politics. Especially when they say things that are (as Dr. Phil already said) dumb.

"Never thought Id say this ish
Baby Im good
You can keep your Kush? (rhymes with Bush, idk what-poor quality)
I don't want no more Bush
No more war
No more Iraq
No more white lies
the president is Black"

If you listen to the whole verse not just that one line then I think the context can help explain it. In my opinion the white lies line refers to Bush and the war in Iraq not all white people.

Will.I.Am and Oprah were not on your Christmas card list huh? lol. Its okay. I understand.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by I.A.S.K.

"Never thought Id say this ish
Baby Im good
You can keep your Kush? (rhymes with Bush, idk what-poor quality)
I don't want no more Bush
No more war
No more Iraq
No more white lies
the president is Black"

If you listen to the whole verse not just that one line then I think the context can help explain it. Im my opinion the white lies line refers to Bush and the war in Iraq not all white people.

Will.I.Am and Oprah were not on your Christmas card list huh? lol. Its okay. I understand.

damn.

Just....

Damn....LOL

you know some people hear what they want to hear...

[PM_Mama00]

Originally Posted by I.A.S.K.

"Never thought Id say this ish
Baby Im good
You can keep your Kush? (rhymes with Bush, idk what-poor quality)
I don't want no more Bush
No more war
No more Iraq
No more white lies
the president is Black"

If you listen to the whole verse not just that one line then I think the context can help explain it. Im my opinion the white lies line refers to Bush and the war in Iraq not all white people.

Will.I.Am and Oprah were not on your Christmas card list huh? lol. Its okay. I understand.

Seeing the whole thing, it looks more like "white lies" means like "little white lies", however could be a double entundra (so spelled that wrong, but you get it).

[PM_Mama00]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Oh you care because you're giving the "biracial qualifier."

No I don't care. I threw the biracial comment in there to be an asshole.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by PM_Mama00

No I don't care. I threw the biracial comment in there to be an asshole.

Congrats. Now shut up.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by PM_Mama00

Seeing the whole thing, it looks more like "white lies" means like "little white lies", however could be a double entundra (so spelled that wrong, but you get it).

Hooked on Phonix huh?

Get some Hooked on Spelling...

entundra....

wow

entendre

You got free time on ur hands...work it out.

[PM_Mama00]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

yeah...I thought so...

One....DROP...Ruuuuullleee...


make urself useful

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

Hooked on Phonix huh?

Get some Hooked on Spelling...

entundra....

wow

entendre

You got free time on ur hands...work it out.

What's up Pot?

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

Hooked on Phonix huh?

Get some Hooked on Spelling...

entundra....

wow

entendre

You got free time on ur hands...work it out.

You're really going to ride someone's spelling? In the same post as "ur"? OK.

Also - it's clearly intended to be read as both "[little] white lies" and "lies from whites" and I can't imagine that's disputable. I don't think that is a particularly 'racist' thought - after all, a black guy thinking whites have lied to him isn't exactly ground-breaking, and is probably (from a perception standpoint) fairly true, even though a massive number of those lies have come from his side of the political aisle.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by KSig RC

You're really going to ride someone's spelling? In the same post as "ur"? OK.

Also - it's clearly intended to be read as both "[little] white lies" and "lies from whites" and I can't imagine that's disputable. I don't think that is a particularly 'racist' thought - after all, a black guy thinking whites have lied to him isn't exactly ground-breaking, and is probably (from a perception standpoint) fairly true, even though a massive number of those lies have come from his side of the political aisle.

Come back down...I am sure u know that the 'ur' was intentional.

You are not that stupid so let's not insult each other like that.

Also, why are you trying to explain Jay-Z's lyrics to me?

I know what he meant...and yes, I agree, it's nothing new. The metaphoric wordplay has been around since before Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five....explain it to ur boy phigam, the original poster, who seems to be taken aback by 'racially charged' rap lyrics.

[PhiGam]

Originally Posted by I.A.S.K.

"Never thought Id say this ish
Baby Im good
You can keep your Kush? (rhymes with Bush, idk what-poor quality)
I don't want no more Bush
No more war
No more Iraq
No more white lies
the president is Black"

If you listen to the whole verse not just that one line then I think the context can help explain it. In my opinion the white lies line refers to Bush and the war in Iraq not all white people.

Will.I.Am and Oprah were not on your Christmas card list huh? lol. Its okay. I understand.

The rest of the verse is fine but that one line is mean, divisive and offensive. Imagine the societal backlash that would occur if Alan Jackson sang about "black lies" when referring to Obama.
PM Mama: There is NO WAY that he was referring to "white lies" as in small lies that are OK if something good comes out of it in the end.

[PM_Mama00]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Congrats. Now shut up.

Dude, I thought we were getting along?

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by PM_Mama00

Dude, I thought we were getting along?

Until you type something dumb.