240,000 dollars awarded to man forced to cover Arab T-shirt

[AGDee]

Originally Posted by KSigkid

I don't know that this is something specific to one's closeness to the situation, or that it makes PM_Mama's situation that much different than a number of people...I would imagine there are anti-American elements in a lot of cities, and heck, the planes went right through Boston where KSigRC, myself, and a bunch of other members of this board were going to school. Not to mention the members of the board who were living in NYC at the time, or who lost family members and friends on 9/11...

On a somewhat unrelated note - I always wonder about the difference in feelings by people who lost loved ones on 9/11, and those who did not. In my immediate circle of friends and acquaintances (those who lost friends and family, and those who were living in NYC or working near Ground Zero) have tended to hold softer lines on this kind of stuff than others. In other words, they're the ones who wouldn't mind sitting on an airplane with someone like this claimant.

I was simply answering the "How do you know..." question. Every couple months there is a news story about someone being arrested for channeling money to militant terrorist groups (not just al Qaeda, but also Hezbelloh and Hamas, etc.)

You do bring up some good questions.

[PM_Mama00]

Originally Posted by epchick

Does it look more like this (a Keyyifeh):



or

this (sometimes called a Shemagh or a ghutra an iqal):

Nope it was pretty much a red fabric that they tide around their head. I saw it on both movies, United 93 and Flight 93. It's when they all look at each other, tie them on their heads and that's when people on the plane know that something is wrong. I've never seen it other than on the movies.

[epchick]

Originally Posted by PM_Mama00

I've never seen it other than on the movies.

Then that's probably your answer. It was something the movie producers created to add some "drama" to the movie.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by epchick

Then that's probably your answer. It was something the movie producers created to add some "drama" to the movie.

Wow...did I call it or what?

[PM_Mama00]

Originally Posted by epchick

Then that's probably your answer. It was something the movie producers created to add some "drama" to the movie.

I'd really hope that they wouldn't make something up in a movie like that.

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by PM_Mama00

I'd really hope that they wouldn't make something up in a movie like that.

Really? Neither were hailed as documentaries, right?

[epchick]

Originally Posted by PM_Mama00

I'd really hope that they wouldn't make something up in a movie like that.

Seeing as how all the people on that flight are deceased, you don't really know what happened (aside from the recorded phone calls). So most of the movie was conjecture.

[AGDee]

I thought I read it in the transcripts between Todd Beamer and the operator he was talking to, when he was describing the men. I also thought it was only one guy.. the one with the "bomb" strapped to him. But, they have taken creative license. I've watched/heard/seen/read so much about that day, the movies get jumbled with the reality.

I do think it's very difficult to ascertain what is "suspicious" behavior in this type of situation. If someone ever feels another passenger is acting suspiciously, it needs to be addressed. I think it probably would have been sufficient to ask him what his shirt meant.

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by AGDee

I do think it's very difficult to ascertain what is "suspicious" behavior in this type of situation. If someone ever feels another passenger is acting suspiciously, it needs to be addressed. I think it probably would have been sufficient to ask him what his shirt meant.

I don't know - this seems like couched crap to me (and I don't mean that as a personal attack or anything, it's just illustrative of a mindset that I think is becoming pervasive that I don't like - I'll elaborate...).

It seems like we have to have it one way or another - either this type of 'suspicious' behavior (of which being Muslim and wearing a shirt with Arabic writing is, um, probably not a good example to start, but bear with me for purposes of illustration) should be dealt with in a strong fashion, such as detainment or in-depth questioning, or we have to admit this just isn't suspicious and move on, because the 'middle ground' option of "Please, sir - what does your shirt say?" seems like the least efficacious and most insulting of all possible options.

I don't know- that's just my initial impression. I could probably be convinced otherwise, but initially, it seems like we're saying "I'm leery, but I realize it's wrong to do anything about it, so I'll espouse fear while giving a very neutral suggestion to fix." Doesn't it really have to be all or nothing, so to speak? Am I missing something?

[DaemonSeid]

Lets keep this in perspective, a young man who wore this...minding his own business





and lets not forget this gem from MIT



The Fake Bomb Shirt

Now remember she PURPOSEFULLY was seeking attention:

"She said that it was a piece of art and she wanted to stand out on career day," State Police Maj. Scott Pare, the commanding officer at the airport, said at a news conference. "She claims that it was just art and that she was proud of the art and she wanted to display it."


....at the F*CKING AIRPORT????

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=3635225&page=1

which bothers you more....?