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10-28-2008, 01:10 PM
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10-28-2008, 01:22 PM
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I'm pretty sure there are far more serious Obama assasination attempts than this one.
Plus violent racism isn't indicative of the new South, mostly indicative of the West Coast and Northeast.
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10-28-2008, 01:26 PM
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I'm pretty sure there are far more serious Obama assasination attempts than this one.
Plus violent racism isn't indicative of the new South, mostly indicative of the West Coast and Northeast.
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Violent racism certainly occurs in all parts of the country, but how is it "indicative" of the Northeast?
ETA: This link is about 4 years old, and it deals more generally with "hate crimes," but it seems like the distribution is pretty well spread across the country (if you're looking at reports per agency): http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius_04/offen...ime/index.html
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10-28-2008, 02:04 PM
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Violent racism certainly occurs in all parts of the country, but how is it "indicative" of the Northeast?
ETA: This link is about 4 years old, and it deals more generally with "hate crimes," but it seems like the distribution is pretty well spread across the country (if you're looking at reports per agency): http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius_04/offen...ime/index.html |
Of the previous twenty years...
Crown Heights Riot, Hempstead High School Riot, Philadelphia Riots of (2001)?
Other northern (but not necessarily northeastern) race riots include Toledo and Cincinatti and Benton Harbor.
In the previous 20 years, excluding Florida (most of which is not part of the cultural South), there hasn't been a race riot.
Furthermore, out West you have stuff like Southcentral Riots in LA, Inglewood High, Lock High School and so on.
If I have forgotten a race riot in the new South (post-1985), excuse me. But, I can't think of one off the top of my head.
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In terms of black on white violence, I mean perhaps but there was no real proven motive on the black side that it was specifically "hating whitey" on the part of the black teen who beat the hell out of the white kid.
KSigKid:
The breakdown table doesn't have it divided up between race. It doesn't really help.
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Overall, though, it's the bigness of the car that counts the most. Because when something bad happens in a really big car accidentally speeding through the middle of a gang of unruly young people who have been taunting you in a drive-in restaurant, for instance it happens very far away way out at the end of your fenders. It's like a civil war in Africa; you know, it doesn't really concern you too much. - P.J. O'Rourke
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10-28-2008, 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Elephant Walk
Of the previous twenty years...
Crown Heights Riot, Hempstead High School Riot, Philadelphia Riots of (2001)?
Other northern (but not necessarily northeastern) race riots include Toledo and Cincinatti and Benton Harbor.
In the previous 20 years, excluding Florida (most of which is not part of the cultural South), there hasn't been a race riot.
Furthermore, out West you have stuff like Southcentral Riots in LA, Inglewood High, Lock High School and so on.
If I have forgotten a race riot in the new South (post-1985), excuse me. But, I can't think of one off the top of my head.
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Don't you think you're being pretty narrow with your definition of "violent racism?" It wouldn't just encompass race riots, but would encompass any violent crime (murder, assault, etc.) based in any way on the race of the victim.
If you're trying to say that racial violence occurs all areas, I agree with you. But, your examples don't show how "violent racism" is "indicative" of the Northeast or the West.
ETA: Yeah, I realize the breakdown table isn't especially helpful. I'm at work and couldn't find anything quickly that broke down incidents of racial violence in each region.
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10-28-2008, 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Elephant Walk
Of the previous twenty years...
Crown Heights Riot, Hempstead High School Riot, Philadelphia Riots of (2001)?
Other northern (but not necessarily northeastern) race riots include Toledo and Cincinatti and Benton Harbor.
In the previous 20 years, excluding Florida (most of which is not part of the cultural South), there hasn't been a race riot.
Furthermore, out West you have stuff like Southcentral Riots in LA, Inglewood High, Lock High School and so on.
If I have forgotten a race riot in the new South (post-1985), excuse me. But, I can't think of one off the top of my head.
Kevin:
In terms of black on white violence, I mean perhaps but there was no real proven motive on the black side that it was specifically "hating whitey" on the part of the black teen who beat the hell out of the white kid.
KSigKid:
The breakdown table doesn't have it divided up between race. It doesn't really help.
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You're defining "violent racism" as "race riots"? Um, I seem to recall hearing a lot of news stories about hate crimes in the south where race is THE factor even if it wasn't a full-out riot. Speaking for the west coast, we're so racially integrated out here that race honestly is not that big of a deal to people here. California is home to the biggest number of minorities from practically all countries outside of their native lands, and up here in Seattle and Portland, many of us grew up going to schools where half the kids are asian. Seattle has no "ghetto," no neighborhood where all the "black folk" live and white people are afraid to drive through at night. For the mostpart our neighborhoods are very integrated and we don't give it a second thought.
The only place I've ever had a brush with the KKK was in the south...it sure as hell wasn't in the west. EW, your post was naive beyond words, to the point where I have to think you've never even stepped foot in the northeast or west.
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10-28-2008, 01:26 PM
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I'm pretty sure there are far more serious Obama assasination attempts than this one.
Plus violent racism isn't indicative of the new South, mostly indicative of the West Coast and Northeast.
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What is the new South? I've heard this term and was confused. Please explain. /hijack.
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10-28-2008, 02:00 PM
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I'm pretty sure there are far more serious Obama assasination attempts than this one.
Plus violent racism isn't indicative of the new South, mostly indicative of the West Coast and Northeast.
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wait...there is such a thing as non-violent racism??
and ditto to that question about the 'new' South
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10-28-2008, 03:32 PM
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wait...there is such a thing as non-violent racism??
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Yes, otherwise there would be a lot more violent crimes.
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10-28-2008, 03:57 PM
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I'm not surprised that gun sales are up. If the Democrats do take the majority and the presidency, the possibility of the limits to our Second Amendment rights are very real. I've had more than a few people tell me that they're buying now.
ETA: As for the assassination plot, I'm not surprised. Look how many plots there were against JFK because he was Catholic. Sen. Obama had Secret Service protection for several months prior to any of the other candidates. Which doesn't mean I'm not going to be praying for his safety.
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10-28-2008, 02:02 PM
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Plus violent racism isn't indicative of the new South, mostly indicative of the West Coast and Northeast.
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Please explain. As someone who grew up in the South, went to college and now lives in the Northeast, and spends a lot of time on the West Coast (and plans to move there soon), I do not agree. There is more racial and economic segregation in the Northeast, but that is de facto segregation and not de jure the way that it was in the South until fairly recently.
No place is perfect, but until black men are dragged by trucks in Connecticut, please spare me on how "violent racism isn't indicative of the new South, mostly indicative of the West Coast and Northeast."
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10-28-2008, 04:02 PM
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But these stories give very cogent reasons for the rise in gun sales, and those reasons don't include this:
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My father *suggested* that Obama is going to declare martial law from day one so he can use the police against citizens.  Someone told him (or he heard) that gun sales were up because people were going to have to shoot police officers to protect their property. |
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10-28-2008, 05:58 PM
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I didn't say the PacNW was without incident. I said "racial violence" is not more of a west coast thing.
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