2008 Presidential Election: Who are you voting for?

[CrackerBarrel]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

well since McCain's campaign has started on Obama's associations this week

Let me give you 3 names to remember:

Charlie Black,whose lobbying firm represented human rights abusers in the Philippines and Nigeria...AND MCCAIN CHIEF ADVISOR?

Rick Davis a Republican strategist, and co-owners of Davis Manafort Inc., a public relations firm that worked for a Ukrainian political party backed by Russian leader Vladimir Putin..and involved with Freddie Mac, also associated with Oleg Deripaska an organized crime figure who has been denied entry in the US

who is also tied to......

Paul Manafort whose lobby group has taken in millions of dollars in hefty fees from the torturers, human rights abusers, and tyrants they called clients in Nigeria, Kenya, the Philippines.


and let's throw Ted Stevens and John Abramoff in for good measure

I think McCain will take that trade-off. The people you can associate him with are typical associations that you could make to anyone who has been in Washington for a long time. The problem Obama will run into with his associations are that they aren't your typical "damn corrupt Washington" ties, they are non-mainstream radical figures which have the potential to scare some people away from Obama. You play it up as "Wait, maybe he isn't the kind of change we've been waiting for after all, I would never hang out with those nutjobs and I can't imagine anyone who would."

McCain also has the benefit of a degree of seperation. He works with people who work with people who might not be too popular. Obama is friends with and works directly with the nutjobs in his case.

Look at it this way, no matter how many unpopular things McCain advisers have done, none of them put together a group to bomb the Capitol building, got on stage and screamed about conspiracies and "God Damn America!" or helped pay for his house next door to theirs with embezzled funds from deals that McCain helped him get. If Obama legitamizes this campaign tactic by responding in kind he's making a mistake because his connections at least sound worse.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by CrackerBarrel

You play it up as "Wait, maybe he isn't the kind of change we've been waiting for after all, I would never hang out with those nutjobs and I can't imagine anyone who would."

If only it didn't look so let's-talk-about-anything-but-the-economy desperate.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by CrackerBarrel

I think McCain will take that trade-off. The people you can associate him with are typical associations that you could make to anyone who has been in Washington for a long time. The problem Obama will run into with his associations are that they aren't your typical "damn corrupt Washington" ties, they are non-mainstream radical figures which have the potential to scare some people away from Obama. You play it up as "Wait, maybe he isn't the kind of change we've been waiting for after all, I would never hang out with those nutjobs and I can't imagine anyone who would."

McCain also has the benefit of a degree of seperation. He works with people who work with people who might not be too popular. Obama is friends with and works directly with the nutjobs in his case.

Look at it this way, no matter how many unpopular things McCain advisers have done, none of them put together a group to bomb the Capitol building, got on stage and screamed about conspiracies and "God Damn America!" or helped pay for his house next door to theirs with embezzled funds from deals that McCain helped him get. If Obama legitamizes this campaign tactic by responding in kind he's making a mistake because his connections at least sound worse.

again..it shows that McCain has poor judgement in picking his associations...especially if he insists on keeping them around.

ETA

Didn't McCain ealier this year shy away from attacking Obama and Wright?

Does anyone remember the North Crarolina Repus that McCain had them remove an ad smearing Obama and Wright saying: "I'm making it very clear, as I have a couple of times in the past, that there's no place for that kind of campaigning, and the American people don't want it."

I guess he has changed his mind and made a place at the table...I wonder if he will say anything to Sarah since she is now bringing it back up.

Not that she wants anyone investigating her pastor who says that God will punish those "slip slidin' Americans...."

[nittanyalum]

For anyone who's interested, Michelle Obama is going to be Jon Stewart's guest on the Daily Show tonight (he's currently reviewing the debate - and it is lol-worthy).

[RU OX Alum]

I've made up my mind and will cast my vote for an independent candidate...Ralph Nader

[moe.ron]

Chuck Norris for the Kick the Gonads Party

[nittanyalum]

So besides the head-spinning reality that polls now show Obama leading in Virginia and West Virginia possibly breaking toward Obama (whoa!), these Senate races are hella interesting -- Elizabeth Dole is struggling and Al Franken is in the lead now in MN! LOL! http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ...nate_elections

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by nittanyalum

. . . and Al Franken is in the lead now in MN! LOL! http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ...nate_elections

So the world really may be coming to end?! Maybe Obama really is the Anti-Christ, 'cause Al Franken in the Senate has to be one of the signs of the Apocolypse.

[KSigkid]

Originally Posted by nittanyalum

So besides the head-spinning reality that polls now show Obama leading in Virginia and West Virginia possibly breaking toward Obama (whoa!), these Senate races are hella interesting -- Elizabeth Dole is struggling and Al Franken is in the lead now in MN! LOL! http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ...nate_elections

Thanks, you just had to go and ruin my Friday....haha.

[AGDee]

SNL popularity is quite high right now. Makes sense to me that Franken is doing well

[RU OX Alum]

Vote for me, Al Franken

[ajuhdg]

I like looking at the polls, and there seem to be an oogabillion of them. How do large polls (Gallup, Rassmussen, etc) 'find' who they poll?

[nittanyalum]

Originally Posted by KSigkid

Thanks, you just had to go and ruin my Friday....haha.

Aw, well I hate to put a stink on your Saturday too, but ... 55% Expect Obama Victory; Only 15% Think McCain Will Win




ETA: PhiGam & SECDom better get to work!

[KSigkid]

Originally Posted by nittanyalum

Aw, well I hate to put a stink on your Saturday too, but ... 55% Expect Obama Victory; Only 15% Think McCain Will Win

Haha, thanks - I didn't read this until today, so it just ruins my Monday

Seriously though, I'm getting to the point where I just hope I'm wrong about Obama, since it seems like he's locking things up. I disagree with a number of things in his platform, and I really don't think he's the right person to be President, but hopefully I'll be wrong and he'll do a good job. I'm not conceding things yet, but it doesn't look good.

On another note, I've been getting calls from the Democratic party for a couple of months now, asking me if they'll still have my support for Obama. I've been a Republican for almost 10 years now - why the heck am I getting these calls? I know my town is heavily Democrat (they come very close to trying to steer you to the Democrat polling station, you basically have to make a run for the Republican station), but still...

[honeychile]

Originally Posted by KSigkid

On another note, I've been getting calls from the Democratic party for a couple of months now, asking me if they'll still have my support for Obama. I've been a Republican for almost 10 years now - why the heck am I getting these calls? I know my town is heavily Democrat (they come very close to trying to steer you to the Democrat polling station, you basically have to make a run for the Republican station), but still...

You, too? I'm amazed at the tone of the calls!