Kappa Beta Gamma/Kappa Delta

[flowerpixie3]

Originally Posted by ilovetheviolets

I appreciate your point, but I can vouch that NPC affiliation is not necessary to survive at F&M as KBG has actually began to thrive over the last few years (from what I've seen and heard). 2 of their recent alumnae actually recieved the highest award that F&M offers upon graduation.

P.S...I read somewhere that they seemed like an "I want it now" type of chapter...and though I respect the women there, you should know that they started as an "I want it now" type of chapter who did not go through creating an interest group b/c they knew no NPC would start there at the time (even though re-recognition was happening the next year). None went through formal recruitment (or informal recruitment), they just wanted letters, and actually at first wore tri-delta letters b/c they thought that's what you did. That atleast is how it looked from the outside. I appreciate that KD is there now so hopefully that means their values have switched and they will take it all more seriously.

ilovetheviolets, think you should check your facts on all this info! the original chapter was never the 'i want it now' sort of girls, and it's a bit insulting for you to say that. they did try to start an interest group and asked panhellenic council to open for expansion so that national groups could come. the panhellenic council at that time outright refused to do this, never giving reasons, and the interest group that became a local sorority at that time were forced to look outside the NPC sororities for a national group. this had nothing to do with them wanting to wear letters or an 'i want it now' attitude, they put the work in and did the research for over a year so i'm not sure where you even got your info from.
second off recognition was still a few years down the line and was not officially put in place until the fall of 2004. i believe that KBG was contact over the summer of 2002. and i'm not really sure what rerecognition has to do with a group of girls wanting to start a new sorority, except that they may have had more support from the administration at that time.
and a few girls did go through formal rush with the two sororities that were on campus at the time, but decided that they just weren't the right fit for them. if other founders of the chapter didn't go through, this might have also been because they didn't think the two sororities were what they were looking for, but when the offer of a third sorority came up they felt that was where they did fit in.
i think your judgements on what the founders did or didn't do was a bit harsh and not very factual. so despite what 'it looked like from the outside' it was actually very different. also, it doesn't have anything to do with values changing, as the girls in that organisation have always had very high values and still do.

[kappadivstar]

Wow...I just found this thread and I realize it's like 6 months old- by my chapter basically got beat to hell in this extremely one sided story. Its unfortunate that no one from our chapter was apparently on this board at this time.

Can I take this time to point out that the two chapters being "colonized" never happened, and the KBG website STILL hasn't been updated? This is ridiculous. I am so offended by this.

[KSUViolet06]

Originally Posted by kappadivstar

Wow...I just found this thread and I realize it's like 6 months old- by my chapter basically got beat to hell in this extremely one sided story. Its unfortunate that no one from our chapter was apparently on this board at this time.

Can I take this time to point out that the two chapters being "colonized" never happened, and the KBG website STILL hasn't been updated? This is ridiculous. I am so offended by this.

Wow. I'd say "beat to hell" is a little dramatic.

Also, I love how you're offended by the discussion, so you bump it up so people can talk about it some more.

[kappadivstar]

Originally Posted by KSUViolet06

Wow. I'd say "beat to hell" is a little dramatic.

Also, I love how you're offended by the discussion, so you bump it up so people can talk about it some more.

I didn't bump it neccessarily for that reason, I just thought it was unfair how one-sided it was, and I figured that it would be good to hear the other side.


Guess not. I'll go back to being a "disloyal asshat".

[KSUViolet06]

Originally Posted by kappadivstar

I didn't bump it neccessarily for that reason, I just thought it was unfair how one-sided it was, and I figured that it would be good to hear the other side.


Guess not. I'll go back to being a "disloyal asshat".

But you didn't GIVE anyone an other side. You just said you were "beat to hell" and were offended.

We've had members of former KBG chapters come here and give details from their side of the fence, and they said alot more than "I'm offended."

[kappadivstar]

Originally Posted by KSUViolet06

But you didn't GIVE anyone an other side. You just said you were "beat to hell" and were offended.

I COULD get into it. I just didn't think anyone was really that interested. I just felt like I should say SOMETHING. I mean, don't you think most people would want to stand up for their chapter? Even if we are asshats, I still have pride in my chapter...

I totally get what you're saying...I just thought it would look silly if i came out of nowhere and wrote a several paragraph story.

Originally Posted by kappadivstar

I totally get what you're saying...I just thought it would look silly if i came out of nowhere and wrote a several paragraph story.

I wouldn't think of it as silly at all.

[lucgreek]

I don't know if you can answer this but which NPCs wanted to present to you guys and which ones actually presented before you chose KKG?

[kappadivstar]

Originally Posted by lucgreek

I don't know if you can answer this but which NPCs wanted to present to you guys and which ones actually presented before you chose KKG?

I'll PM you, lucgreek. I don't think its something I should post on the forum, but a lot of people at Loyola know because of Panhel, etc.

[33girl]

Judas Priest, this thing has more lives than the Mary Kay thread. From what I was told from various sources, I stand by what I posted. As I said, if LUC was that anti-KBG, they would have pushed NPC affiliation long before this.

And I don't think "things change" is an excuse for leaving 50 years worth of alumnae completely in the dark. Freaking call them, post a notice concerning the possible change in the alum newspaper, put it on your website, use common courtesy. Maybe they would have understood and rallied and improved KBG overall by getting involved themselves...but oh well, guess we'll never know because "things change."

[chitownxo]

Kappadivastart --

Here's the thing that you're missing...the chapter that you love so much? That was built on the backs on the members of the former KBG chapter who came before you. In my opinion, you sold out that sisterhood for another one. You don't have to agree with my assessment; frankly, I don't care if you do. I know that several of your alumni feel that way.

I do know that your group never contacted members and told them of the change. I don't think it would have been a difficult thing to trot over to the Alumni Relations Office on Pearson Street and request a list of names.

I still remain unimpressed with the way the situation was handled.

[kappadivstar]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Judas Priest, this thing has more lives than the Mary Kay thread. From what I was told from various sources, I stand by what I posted. As I said, if LUC was that anti-KBG, they would have pushed NPC affiliation long before this.

And I don't think "things change" is an excuse for leaving 50 years worth of alumnae completely in the dark. Freaking call them, post a notice concerning the possible change in the alum newspaper, put it on your website, use common courtesy. Maybe they would have understood and rallied and improved KBG overall by getting involved themselves...but oh well, guess we'll never know because "things change."

Well, what you heard "from various sources" is probably a little less true than say, what's coming from me, oh I don't know BECAUSE I WAS THERE.
Have you ever set foot on LUC's campus? Have you spoken with our Panhel and asked them why they wanted KBG gone? Are you a member of KBG? Do you know ANYTHING about our alum policies? Do you ACTUALLY think there is an alum newspaper? Because there isn't. And for the record, we had an alumnae mailing list, and everyone on it received a letter. If someone didn't sign up, then excuse me for not having their address from 50 years ago. But like I said, one of our problems with KBG was lack of organization. We didn't have a national website to put up an announcement. We couldn't get everyone's addresses, because nobody from nationals would ever return our calls. Oh. And we DID post it on our website.

I hate that you act as if you know what's going on, because you are not a member of either organization, and have absolutely NO firsthand knowledge of the situation. We were only able to speak with one national officer, and I can guarantee you, it wasn't BootyKBG. Like I said, we had 10-11 different NPC organizations that were interested in colonizing our group. It appears to me that you and BootKBG are the only people really offended by this situation.

As I also pointed out before, it was not our choice to close down KBG. I said before, they tried to come in and have an informal recruitment, and were told by Panhel that they were not welcome on campus. This isn't because we blackballed KBG. Panhel's urging was one of the many reasons we decided to go NPC. I don't understand why everyone has such a problem believing this, because its definitely not the first time a school has told all local organizations that they had to go NPC. John Carroll? I understand KBG wasn't a local, but it wasn't NPC, and that is what Panhel and the University wanted. We didn't say, "KBG sucks. Make them go away". If Loyola opens for expansion in the fall and KBG has gotten organized and wants to colonize, I seriously doubt any of our girls would be bitter about it. I for one, would wish them luck.

The only reason I even brought this thread back up is that I hate how it makes Kappa and our school look. I think you need to respect that. And if you can't, maybe it will give you some solace to know that in one more year, every single formerly KBG member will have graduated, and none of the "disloyal asshats" will be around anymore. Because as I stated earlier, I seriously doubt any of the new members from the last 3 classes have an idea there ever was a KBG.

Originally Posted by chitownxo

When the word started to get out to the alumnae that a change might be taking place, calls were made to the LUC Panhellenic Office. I know of at least two women who were told (none of which I'm related to, BTW) that no change was taking place. At best, whomever these ladies talked to was/were misinformed about the situation...at worst they were lied to.

These ladies should have come clean to their alumnae base and told them what was happening. They decided to hide this from their sisters, and I think that's shady.

I can understand how you are angered by the situation, because you actually have a personal tie. I honestly don't know why Panhel would have told you that nothing was going on, unless it was before the Fall that we were open for expansion. We had to get panhel's approval and help to notify the NPC groups that we were looking to colonize, so they were well aware.

And we honestly did try to contact the alumnae. Yes, I admit, we didn't contact EVERY SINGLE MEMBER, but we had a list of alumnae who had signed up for newsletters. We put the information on our chapter website. I guess we could have tried harder, but what can I say? We were college students. We had a lot of stuff going on, with installing a new chapter, being members of several organizations, and studying of course. And I have to say, we were a lot less organized as a KBG chapter. This could have been helped by the addition of an adviser...

I truly am sorry that your mom was upset by our actions. This is something that we took into account when we made the choice to disaffiliate from KBG. We knew the risk, and we took it.