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Old 08-19-2008, 01:16 PM
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For some reason I keep picturing a scene from Star Wars I: The Phantom Menace...
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Old 08-19-2008, 05:13 PM
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For some reason I keep picturing a scene from Star Wars I: The Phantom Menace...
That's exactly what inspired this post originally.
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Old 08-19-2008, 05:24 PM
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Ah, before there is a new writing how about a meeting of the Exec Council?

I do not and never did beleive in passing the gavel.

So, sit down with the Officer and discuss it!

If he does not agree then explain the problem. Talk about it!

If that does not work, then hold a special election for a vote.

Never step on the toes tho.

Is he really a screw up? Who voted him in?

Keep it in the Zeta.

If you cannot work it out, who do you think can help? An On Line Site?
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Old 08-20-2008, 06:21 PM
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I would definitely go the route of holding him to his oath of office. If he breaks that oath, then he is to be held accountable for those actions. That is assuming all officers have taken that oath. ...Which assumes all chapters are actually performing the officer installations ceremony. Oh too many chapters don't see the importance of such a ritual. Essentially, it equates to the initiation ritual in this way:

In the Initiation ritual, we present new brothers to commit to certain promises. If they mess up as brothers, they are held accountable.

In the Officer Installation ceremony, we present nominated/newly-elected officers to commit to certain promises. If they mess up as officers, they are held accountable.



Would chapters simply NOT DO an initiation ritual for new members? For the most part, "No." So, why do so many chapters simply NOT DO an officer installation ceremony? Is it because it's viewed as that much less important? One of my goals for the next few years is to memorize this ceremony to emphasize its importance.

Anyway, that's the route I'd go, if an officer wasn't pulling his weight. And also, continuously poke him with the Standards for Chapter Excellence reviews...those are great for emphasizing "ever-increasing usefulness." My two cents.

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Old 08-21-2008, 01:07 PM
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LXAGrits, should this not be left up to the Exec. of the chapter?

Would it not be better to keep in house than world wide without getting IHQ involved?

A Brother is voted in by the members and should be able to be voted out the same way.

Yes, Officers are expected to do better and the leaders of the Zeta. 1 or two can be very adverse to any Zeta.
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Old 08-22-2008, 05:48 AM
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Tom, I agree this type of situation should be taken care of by an individual chapter. I feel that if there is a small problem, then all individuals have the right to confront a person about their work as an officer. If that doesn't work, and someone deems it necessary to give them (as this forum discusses) a "vote of no confidence", then that probably needs to be presented to the Executive Committee. I see the Standards of Chapter Excellence meetings as more of a proactive way of giving the officers a heads-up about what kind of improvements they could be making on their already sufficient job (most of the time). I never said anything about getting IHQ involved!

Now, if someone is having a problem with implementing a new program or with some other chapter operations type situation, then I think it's very appropriate to ask your ELC for advice...or maybe even some brothers from other chapters (as they might have had a similar experience). I personally believe the ELC will have a more trustworthy and accurate answer, but still hearing the thoughts from brothers in this online community can be beneficial.

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Old 08-22-2008, 01:55 PM
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Chris, thank you but I wonder how many times Brothers are in contact with other Zetas?

I wish it were more to say the least as we are not one Zeta alone but many others.

Maybe there needs to be a stronger push for more interaction beyond Regionals and G As. We do have the ability here to work with other Brothers and become closer.

To me if and only if the problem cannot be handled in house then the ELC needs to be contacted.
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