Any NASCAR fans on here?

BuckeyeTriDelta · #1 08-18-2008, 08:55 AM

Please don't call me a "joker" just because of the driver I support and do not assume what I believe or think about the driver I choose to support. I do honestly think Jr. will win a championship because he has determination. He has the drive to drive in my opinion and I believe if you have that determination and drive you will eventually be rewarded. After listening to his radio at Michigan (I was fortunate to be at the race yesterday) he wants to win. He wants that championship. Whether or not he will achieve those goals is unknown to you and to me, but I believe that with determination and the drive he has he can an will win. I'm sure you will counter that, but that is what I believe and really nothing you say will change my mind. He can't help his last name. Did he ask to be an Earnhardt? Nope. Does he have a whole lot of pressure because of that last name? Absolutely. He isn't Dale Sr. and never will be. He will never achieve what his father did, and that's fine with me. I want Jr. to be Jr., not Sr. Even if Jr. never wins a championship, he has still been successful in my eyes with his Nationwide team and his bar in Charlotte.

Interesting about that Gibbs Nationwide team infractions though.

PrettyBoy · #2 08-19-2008, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by BuckeyeTriDelta

Please don't call me a "joker" just because of the driver I support and do not assume what I believe or think about the driver I choose to support. I do honestly think Jr. will win a championship because he has determination. He has the drive to drive in my opinion and I believe if you have that determination and drive you will eventually be rewarded. After listening to his radio at Michigan (I was fortunate to be at the race yesterday) he wants to win. He wants that championship. Whether or not he will achieve those goals is unknown to you and to me, but I believe that with determination and the drive he has he can an will win. I'm sure you will counter that, but that is what I believe and really nothing you say will change my mind. He can't help his last name. Did he ask to be an Earnhardt? Nope. Does he have a whole lot of pressure because of that last name? Absolutely. He isn't Dale Sr. and never will be. He will never achieve what his father did, and that's fine with me. I want Jr. to be Jr., not Sr. Even if Jr. never wins a championship, he has still been successful in my eyes with his Nationwide team and his bar in Charlotte.

Interesting about that Gibbs Nationwide team infractions though.

LOL, BTD I wasn't trying to offend you. I use the word joker all the time. It's a habit that I have. I certainly do apologize if I did offended you, and I'll try not to use that word when I quote you. My apologies.

I wasn't trying to change your opinion. If you like Junior then so be it. IMO, I just don't think he's got the skills to win a championship. I bumped this thread because I was trying to make my point. About a year ago I said Kyle was going to be "The Man" and that he would win a championship before Junior does. When I said that, I almost got laughed off of this thread. You, shinerbock and other greekchat members posting on here said that Kyle was no comparison to Junior. I agree with you 100% when you said neither one of us can predict the future, you are absolutely right. What I can do though is make a judgement call based on the way a driver drives. I used to watch Kyle when he was racing in the Busch series before he entered cup racing. I knew at that point that he was going to be the next Jeff Gordon, or close to it. The question I have is, what is Kyle doing now? He's doing exactly what I said he was going to do. WIN. He almost won at Michigan which would have been race win #9. The next question I have is who is at the top of the food chain as far as points are concerned? Kyle. I said that he would win a championship before Junior. You all thought I was insane. What's about to happen? I'll be surprised if Kyle doesn't take the Sprint Cup home this season. Sure, I agree with you, Junior is a successful business man "off" the track, but on the track he is not. I'm sure when he retires he'll also be inducted into the NASCAR hall of fame too. But for what? How is he the most popular driver in NASCAR with 0 championships and his father a 7 time champion and Gordon a 4 time champion never, not once got that honor? Last but not least. IMO Junior will not win a championship. He doesn't have the skills nor does he have enough time. He'll be 34 soon. If he was as good of a driver as Eury Jr. is a crew chief, that team would more than likely win no less than 2 championships. Eury Jr. is by far one of the best crew chiefs in the business.

I haven't been keeping up with the Nationwide series. What's up with Gibbs?

What do you think about Tony leaving Gibbs as an owner/driver? I like Tony and I hope he succeeds, but I have yet to see a successful owner/driver.

BuckeyeTriDelta · #3 08-19-2008, 10:19 PM

Ha ha it's ok. No harm no foul.

Supposedly Nascar found magnets on the 18 and 20 of the JGR Nationwide cars that kept the throttle from going wide open in dyno tests at Michigan. Here is the link to the article on Nascar.com

http://www.nascar.com/2008/news/head...est/index.html

I agree with you 110% that Kyle is racing much better then Jr. and Kyle is the better driver right now. Jr. will be inducted into the Hall of Fame for being so popular, if he was to be inducted right now (if he wins a championship or 2 he would probably be inducted for that, but as of now that is not the case). 4 Years in a row he has been voted most popular driver, and that has to say something. He brings in the cash monies for Nascar. Money talks and Jr. is the NASCAR cash cow in my opinion.

I wish Tony all the best in his new venture. I think it was very important to him to go back to Chevy, and I hope he is happy in thte future with his decision. I think it is interesting that Newman is going with Tony though. I didn't think they were alike in very many ways....

What do you think about Childress' grandson possibly running the #3 someday? There was an article this week on nascar.com about him possibly doing that. I personally think that is a bad bad idea because of the emotions and history tied to that number. Of course I would be for it is it was Jr. going into the #3, but i can only dream of that right now.

PrettyBoy · #4 08-19-2008, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by BuckeyeTriDelta

Ha ha it's ok. No harm no foul.

Supposedly Nascar found magnets on the 18 and 20 of the JGR Nationwide cars that kept the throttle from going wide open in dyno tests at Michigan. Here is the link to the article on Nascar.com

http://www.nascar.com/2008/news/head...est/index.html

I agree with you 110% that Kyle is racing much better then Jr. and Kyle is the better driver right now. Jr. will be inducted into the Hall of Fame for being so popular, if he was to be inducted right now (if he wins a championship or 2 he would probably be inducted for that, but as of now that is not the case). 4 Years in a row he has been voted most popular driver, and that has to say something. He brings in the cash monies for Nascar. Money talks and Jr. is the NASCAR cash cow in my opinion.

I wish Tony all the best in his new venture. I think it was very important to him to go back to Chevy, and I hope he is happy in thte future with his decision. I think it is interesting that Newman is going with Tony though. I didn't think they were alike in very many ways....

What do you think about Childress' grandson possibly running the #3 someday? There was an article this week on nascar.com about him possibly doing that. I personally think that is a bad bad idea because of the emotions and history tied to that number. Of course I would be for it is it was Jr. going into the #3, but i can only dream of that right now.

Hey thanks for that article. Speaking of Joey Lagano, is he going to be driving the 20 car next season? Rumors say he is. He's a good driver and young too.

BTD, I agree with you, yes, money talks and yes Junior has brought more money to NASCAR than any other driver in NASCAR history. Sponsors love that dude. Bill Elliot got most popular dirver more than any driver so far though. Everyone liked his personality. Awesome Bill from Dawsonville.

Too bad Jeff never got it. I think he should have at least gotten it once.

I heard that Jr. was going to drive the #3. I read his book and he mentioned it. IMO, I don't think they should ever bring the 3 back. It should never see track time again. That number is known as a winning number and to put a driver in it who isn't or never will be as good as Big E is insane. Yeah, but I haven't heard about Richard's grandson driving the 3 though.

BuckeyeTriDelta · #5 08-19-2008, 11:00 PM

Yeah I heard Lagano is going to drive the #20 too. Official word is coming August 25. I say give Jr. some more time and he will catch up with Elliott. He is the article about Childress' grandson. The #3 is mentioned near the end.
http://www.nascar.com/2008/news/head...but/index.html
I wouldn't mind Jr. driving it like in his last Daytona 500 then the number is retired only because I would cry and the thought of it even now gives me chills.
Gordon never got most popular driver probably because most of his successes to date on the track (championships & won races) came at a time where he was a "rival" to Sr. which made him the man everyone loved to hate or when he had to compete against Jr. for the title of Most Popular. Poor timing.

PrettyBoy · #6 08-20-2008, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by BuckeyeTriDelta

Yeah I heard Lagano is going to drive the #20 too. Official word is coming August 25. I say give Jr. some more time and he will catch up with Elliott. He is the article about Childress' grandson. The #3 is mentioned near the end.
http://www.nascar.com/2008/news/head...but/index.html
I wouldn't mind Jr. driving it like in his last Daytona 500 then the number is retired only because I would cry and the thought of it even now gives me chills.
Gordon never got most popular driver probably because most of his successes to date on the track (championships & won races) came at a time where he was a "rival" to Sr. which made him the man everyone loved to hate or when he had to compete against Jr. for the title of Most Popular. Poor timing.

Thanks for this article. I'm about to read it. It won't let me click on it while quoting at the same time.

Bill Elliot is more known for his Daytona and Dega speed record than he is for his wins and championship.

I was reading Gordon's book and he said that he and Earnhardt never really had a rivalry. He said it just looked that way. Those two were really good friends and business partners. He also said that he didn't know why Earnhardt fans hated him so much, because it was Earnhardt who taught him how to win cup races. He said Earnhardt also taught him how to react to all of the booing. At 1st Gordon said it bothered him. He said that Earnhardt told him that if they boo you that means you're winning. If they cheer you, that also means you're winning. He said that if it's quiet when you're introduced, that's when you have to worry. So he taught Gordon a lot. Listen to this. Gordon also said that it's hard for him to recognize his 4th cup win as a championship, because since he wasn't challenged by Earnhardt, it just didn't feel as though he earned it. He said the previous three were a challenge because it was always a challenge when he was racing against him.

I won't be surprised if Gibbs puts Lagano in the 20.

PrettyBoy · #7 08-20-2008, 07:05 PM

I read the article. Is he racing the 3 in the Nationwide series or Cup? the way I read it, it looks like it's going to be in Nationwide. If it is, that doesn't count. If it's cup and the car is painted black with the same sponsor then that's when it counts. The 3 would have to have the same font too. Harvick carries a small 3 on his car.