Mccain, just saying what he thinks we want to hear?

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by a.e.B.O.T.

Please show me proof that Obama has said what he thought we wanted to hear.....

Show me proof that he hasn't.

See how this works?

Great.

If you truly read my post, you wouldn't have responded as you did.

[a.e.B.O.T.]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

Show me proof that he hasn't.

See how this works?

Great.

If you truly read my post, you wouldn't have responded as you did.

Well, I TRULY did read your post... and quite frankly, I think its a load of mumbo jumbo superiority crap, so I mainly dismissed it.

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by a.e.B.O.T.

Well, I TRULY did read your post... and quite frankly, I think its a load of mumbo jumbo superiority crap, so I mainly dismissed it.

Well, I read your post and frankly, I think it' a load of kool-aid-drinking ivory tower bullshit.

Seriously, you don't think Obama has ever said something just because he thought people wanted to hear it?

CHANGE THE CHANGE YOU WANT TO HOPE FOR AS CHANGE IN YOUR CHANGEHOPE CHANGE.

The guy is a rhetorical wizard - that's basically the definition of "saying what you think people want to hear. Come on, dude.

[KSigkid]

Originally Posted by KSig RC

Well, I read your post and frankly, I think it' a load of kool-aid-drinking ivory tower bullshit.

Seriously, you don't think Obama has ever said something just because he thought people wanted to hear it?

CHANGE THE CHANGE YOU WANT TO HOPE FOR AS CHANGE IN YOUR CHANGEHOPE CHANGE.

The guy is a rhetorical wizard - that's basically the definition of "saying what you think people want to hear. Come on, dude.

The idea that Obama is infallible, or that he doesn't practice the same type of campaigning as other politicians, is hilarious.

Also - no one who knew anything about McCain ever thought he was "liberal" for a Republican. Even during his "crusader" days, he still held a ton of conservative positions.

If you want Obama as President, support him, by all means. However, please don't act like he's some exception to the rule. He's playing the game too.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by KSigkid

The idea that Obama is infallible, or that he doesn't practice the same type of campaigning as other politicians, is hilarious.

Also - no one who knew anything about McCain ever thought he was "liberal" for a Republican. Even during his "crusader" days, he still held a ton of conservative positions.

If you want Obama as President, support him, by all means. However, please don't act like he's some exception to the rule. He's playing the game too.

I keep telling people that Obama walks on water.

It's interesting how people respond to me when I critique Obama in everyday interactions. The whites are shocked that a black person would think of Obama as a typical politician and the blacks are ready to revoke my "black card" and throw me off of a building. It can get heated but I always find it amusing.

This doesn't mean that I don't think Obama is a promising candidate, as promising as politicians can be, or that I might not vote for him. It means that if I vote for him it isn't based on my loyalty to Obama.

ETA: Obama seems like a cool person but that likeability doesn't a President make. Hell, Dubya seems like a cool person sometimes.

[KSigkid]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

I keep telling people that Obama walks on water.

It's interesting how people respond to me when I critique Obama in everyday interactions. The whites are shocked that a black person would think of Obama as a typical politician and the blacks are ready to revoke my "black card" and throw me off of a building. It can get heated but I always find it amusing.

This doesn't mean that I don't think Obama is a promising candidate, as promising as politicians can be, or that I might not vote for him. It means that if I vote for him it isn't based on my loyalty to Obama.

Obama has become quite the Teflon politician in this campaign. If you talk to many Obama supporters, they'll find it inconceivable that anyone could disagree with Obama on any issue. He's an extremely intelligent guy with a fantastic educational background, parts of his platform have issues where reasonable people may disagree.

I understand being passionate about a candidate, and really buying into his/her message. What I don't understand, though, is the creation of a halo effect around Obama, and the indignation some people have towards anyone who would dare question his policies.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by KSigkid

Obama has become quite the Teflon politician in this campaign. If you talk to many Obama supporters, they'll find it inconceivable that anyone could disagree with Obama on any issue. He's an extremely intelligent guy with a fantastic educational background, parts of his platform have issues where reasonable people may disagree.

I understand being passionate about a candidate, and really buying into his/her message. What I don't understand, though, is the creation of a halo effect around Obama, and the indignation some people have towards anyone who would dare question his policies.

It's just like the marketing of a "no spin zone--the spin stops here." I like Fox News but I know that there's spin. It's just a matter of where the spin is, which is sometimes not in the obvious places.

Oh and I know people who will talk about how Obama has probably had to play the politics game but these people say he's doing what needs to be done for the necessary change. That spin is amazing. It's "whatever means necessary" if one candidate plays politics and may have to be less forthcoming with info. Aren't lies and withholding info part of what pissed Americans off about this war? Slipper slope alert.

[DeltAlum]

Originally Posted by KSigkid

What I don't understand, though, is the creation of a halo effect around Obama, and the indignation some people have towards anyone who would dare question his policies.

I suspect that if we look back over the past several years we would see the same phenomenon for President Bush.

People can be pretty myopic when it comes to "their" candidate.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by a.e.B.O.T.

Well, I TRULY did read your post... and quite frankly, I think its a load of mumbo jumbo superiority crap, so I mainly dismissed it.

Superiority of whom over whom? That doesn't even make sense.

Anyway, if you TRULY read my post, you'd know that the main point is that voters don't know with certainty who is lying and who is telling the truth. Or if both are lying. Or if both are telling the truth. The outcomes are uncertain either way.

Originally Posted by what went over your head

At the same time, they may both believe what they are saying.

I, personally, believe that politics are about lies. You believe in Obama. I don't believe in candidates. Ever. Politics won't stop because of the differing opinions of it.