Joe Horn

[TexasWSP]

So you can say with certainty that you knew how he really felt? If you have ESP let me know...I've got some questions for you. I know plenty of people who can act hard as all get out.....doesn't mean that's how they are really feeling. So no, I wasn't really joking there.

Dog = illegal Colombian ex-con burglars?

He shot a couple of criminals whom he claims he felt threatened by. A cop testified that they ran at him and veered off. Not seeing a problem here. I mean...they could have prison shanked him or something, haha.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by TexasWSP

So you can say with certainty that you knew how he really felt?

Is it necessarily about knowing with certainty how he really felt?

Another instance:
If a police officer shoots an unarmed assailant in the head, or shoots a fleeing assailant, what potentially happens to the officer in some jurisdictions? If the officer claims to have felt threatened or to have been defending her/himself, what is the evidence that can be used to support and refute this claim? Of course, psychologists can be employed but they'd look at the circumstances. They wouldn't hire a mind reader. Even if the officer did feel threatened, the threat has to be reasonable and the actions have to be seen as justified.

[TexasWSP]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

Is it necessarily about knowing with certainty how he really felt?

Another instance:
If a police officer shoots an unarmed assailant in the head, or shoots a fleeing assailant, what potentially happens to the officer in some jurisdictions? If the officer claims to have felt threatened or to have been defending her/himself, what is the evidence that can be used to support and refute this claim? Of course, psychologists can be employed but they'd look at the circumstances. They wouldn't hire a mind reader. Even if the officer did feel threatened, the threat has to be reasonable and the actions have to be seen as justified.

I'm pretty sure it doesn't matter about feeling threatened in this situation. If a cop is holding an assailant at gun point and he refuses to obey his commands......he can shoot him, given he goes through the necessary steps to reach that last-resort tactic.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by TexasWSP

given he goes through the necessary steps to reach that last-resort tactic.

[TexasWSP]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

I knew with certainty that was the portion of my statement that you would highlight and comment on. If memory serves me, Horn operated within his limits. Is that not correct? He said he felt threatened, stated why he shot them, and had an undercover cop attest to the situation that played out. End of story.

I'm not feeling that the comparison between a cop and Horn works. I don't think a cop has to feel threatened to shoot someone. If a cop tells you to do something, especially after you just committed a fairly serious crime, and you disobey and run.......you are running a great risk of getting shot.

...and Kevin, I am going to assume that cops follow the right procedures more times than not.

[jon1856]

Originally Posted by TexasWSP

I knew with certainty that was the portion of my statement that you would highlight and comment on. If memory serves me, Horn operated within his limits. Is that not correct? He said he felt threatened, stated why he shot them, and had an undercover cop attest to the situation that played out. End of story.

I'm not feeling that the comparison between a cop and Horn works. I don't think a cop has to feel threatened to shoot someone. If a cop tells you to do something, especially after you just committed a fairly serious crime, and you disobey and run.......you are running a great risk of getting shot.

...and Kevin, I am going to assume that cops follow the right procedures more times than not.

Brother,
No one here, TTBOMK, was on the GJ.
I have heard the 911 tapes over and over and over.
And the first thought I had from the very first one is still in my mind:
He had it in his head that he was going to shoot & kill someone as he place the call.
He was safe inside his own house.
What did he do? He got a shot-gun, loaded it, went out side, told the two they were dead and then fired into their backs.
Just MPOV and VHO.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by jon1856

Just MPOV and VHO.

Not just yours.

Texas law has "spoken" but this discussion doesn't end there.

[TexasWSP]

Originally Posted by jon1856

Brother,
No one here, TTBOMK, was on the GJ.
I have heard the 911 tapes over and over and over.
And the first thought I had from the very first one is still in my mind:
He had it in his head that he was going to shoot & kill someone as he place the call.
He was safe inside his own house.
What did he do? He got a shot-gun, loaded it, went out side, told the two they were dead and then fired into their backs.
Just MPOV and VHO.

1. I don't know what all of these abbreviations mean.

2. The report and eyewitness account by the police officer, if I read it correctly, states that the illegal Colombian criminals ran at him and then veered off as he shot them. Again, if two burglars run at me after robbing the house next door.....they are getting shot.

3. Who cares if he was "safe inside his house"? He protected his neighbor's home and took two pieces of trash off my Texas streets. Congratulations for not doing nothing.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by TexasWSP

If memory serves me, Horn operated within his limits. Is that not correct?

If a cop tells you to do something, especially after you just committed a fairly serious crime, and you disobey and run.......you are running a great risk of getting shot.

No and cops especially can't shoot to kill, just because.

[TexasWSP]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

No and cops especially can't shoot to kill, just because.

So no?.........Joe Horn didn't operate within the limits of the law here in Texas? Didn't we establish that he did?

I don't think he shot them "just because". Apparently you do. I think he shot them because they ran at him and he robbed his neighbor's home.

Furthermore, your original post asked about a cop shooting a fleeing assailant and what the outcome would be......not shooting someone "just because". Pretty sure there is a huge difference.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by TexasWSP

I'm pretty sure it doesn't matter about feeling threatened in this situation. If a cop is holding an assailant at gun point and he refuses to obey his commands......he can shoot him, given he goes through the necessary steps to reach that last-resort tactic.

Which always happens. Just ask the cops.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by Kevin

Which always happens. Just ask the cops.

I assume this is sarcasm.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

I assume this is sarcasm.

Of course.