California's top court overturns gay marriage ban

[AGDee]

Originally Posted by sigmadiva

I would disagree with this statement in the context of this thread. There have been a few posters who just outright stated that religion should be removed from all decisions concerning morality and laws. In order for me to do that, then I would have to deny my religious beliefs and practices, which I have no intention of doing. So, while you (and the general you) may feel that religion should be taken out of it. There are those that feel religion should be the major part of it, and denying those people their ability to infuse their religion would be very restrictive for them.

I meant family values in the context of Dubya, you know, husband, wife, a couple of kids and they all go to a (protestant) church.

The thing is, you can still follow your religion to the letter if gay marriage is legal because YOU don't have to participate in a gay marriage if you don't want to.

We have already had the animal and minor discussion. They are not adults at the age of consent who can make decisions for themselves. There's no point in going there again. I have already stated that I'm not convinced polygamy AMONG CONSENTING ADULTS should be illegal. I don't see what harm it does if everybody who decides to get involved truly has a choice in the matter. I can see how some would find great financial benefit and time benefit from sharing finances and child care responsibilities. A family could potentially have 3 or 4 breadwinners and still have a Stay At Home Mom if they wanted to go that route. I wouldn't personally engage in it, but I could see how it could be advantageous.

You do realize that the majority of households in America do not fit your definition of a family?

[sigmadiva]

Originally Posted by AGDee

The thing is, you can still follow your religion to the letter if gay marriage is legal because YOU don't have to participate in a gay marriage if you don't want to.

Well, I guess this is very subjective for some people. Because in my religion this can not happen. No, I don't have to particiapte in a gay marriage any more than I would have to particiapte in a heterosexual marriage.

But, from my religious teachings, I would not accept a gay marriage as being a true marriage in the eyes of God. I mean, yes, gay people can go through the ceremony and call themselves married, but I don't have to acceppt it.

We have already had the animal and minor discussion. They are not adults at the age of consent who can make decisions for themselves. There's no point in going there again. I have already stated that I'm not convinced polygamy AMONG CONSENTING ADULTS should be illegal.

I know we've been over this issue ad nauseum, but it seems to me that you keep bringing it up on a tangental basis. Maybe I'm reading your posts wrong.

I don't see what harm it does if everybody who decides to get involved truly has a choice in the matter.

Because you have some hard core Christians out there who feel that it is their God-given duty to ensure everyone gets to heaven by saving the world from all types of sin.

For me personally, I'm not going to go out and beat people over the head to convince them to my way of thinking. But, if given the chance to vote on an issue, then I will according to my beliefs, what ever they may be.

You do realize that the majority of households in America do not fit your definition of a family?

Oh, sure. Again, however these people want to live their lives is fine. But, here again, if the opportunity comes for me to vote on how I think a family unit should exist, I will.

[laylo]

Originally Posted by sigmadiva

Because you have some hard core Christians out there who feel that it is their God-given duty to ensure everyone gets to heaven by saving the world from all types of sin.

Do you believe that the license to marry will increase homosexuality?

[sigmadiva]

Originally Posted by laylo

Do you believe that the license to marry will increase homosexuality?

Nope. I just don't agree with gays being married for moral and religious reasons.

oh, and btw, I don't consider myself one of those hard core Christians.

[laylo]

Originally Posted by sigmadiva

Nope. I just don't agree with gays being married for moral and religious reasons.

oh, and btw, I don't consider myself one of those hard core Christians.

Do you disagree with a homosexual couple living together, having sex, and raising children? Or do you disagree with such a couple having tax, medical, and other legal benefits? The religious arguments I know of are against only the former, which only makes sense to me if one believes that homosexuality itself will be increased by the latter.

[sigmadiva]

Originally Posted by laylo

Do you disagree with a homosexual couple living together, having sex, and raising children? Or do you disagree with such a couple having tax, medical, and other legal benefits? The religious arguments I know of are against only the former, which only makes sense to me if one believes that homosexuality itself will be increased by the latter.

Look, I don't care how people carry on in their private and daily lives. As long as they are not doing anything that one would consider extremely immoral or illegal, I really don't care.

So, if little Johnny has two mommies or two daddies, I don't care. Their lifestyle does not impact mine.

And quite frankly the whole issue of taxes and medical care does not bother me either. You know why? Because no matter the issue taxes will go up and medical insurance companies will charge more for fewer services - whether you are single, married, have kids, don't have kids....

Like I've said over and over again in this thread, if given the opportunity to cast a vote on the issue I will vote against it. Not for tax reasons, not for medical reasons, not because I feel Johnny should have a mommy and a daddy (well, I do think all kids need both a mom and a dad, but I know that does not happen). I will vote against gay marriage because for me it is a moral and religious issue.

[laylo]

Originally Posted by sigmadiva

Look, I don't care how people carry on in their private and daily lives. As long as they are not doing anything that one would consider extremely immoral or illegal, I really don't care.

So, if little Johnny has two mommies or two daddies, I don't care. Their lifestyle does not impact mine.

And quite frankly the whole issue of taxes and medical care does not bother me either. You know why? Because no matter the issue taxes will go up and medical insurance companies will charge more for fewer services - whether you are single, married, have kids, don't have kids....

Like I've said over and over again in this thread, if given the opportunity to cast a vote on the issue I will vote against it. Not for tax reasons, not for medical reasons, not because I feel Johnny should have a mommy and a daddy (well, I do think all kids need both a mom and a dad, but I know that does not happen). I will vote against gay marriage because for me it is a moral and religious issue.

I'm not trying to challenge your beliefs. I just don't understand the percieved relationship between the moral/religious issue and the legal understanding of marriage. I was hoping that, Christian-to-Christian, you might shed some light on it for me. If you're tired of explaining yourself, ok.

[shinerbock]

Originally Posted by laylo

Do you disagree with a homosexual couple living together, having sex, and raising children? Or do you disagree with such a couple having tax, medical, and other legal benefits? The religious arguments I know of are against only the former, which only makes sense to me if one believes that homosexuality itself will be increased by the latter.

no, no, probably, no, no, no.

[nittanyalum]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

no, no, probably, no, no, no.

LOL. At least you're consistent.