Why do LGLO/MCGLOs follow NPHC practices?

[PANTHERTEKE]

Originally Posted by MsDGP007

Perhaps from the outside looking in...it seems that LGLOs & MCGLOs copy a lot from NPHC orgs; and maybe some do more than others (I can only speak for my own org so...). However by the definition of what we are (Greek Lettered Secrets Societies), we all will have similarities. In fact my sorority has characteristics in common with NPHC groups, NPC groups, honorary and even community-based sororities. Our founders were not "rejected" from NPHC groups...but seriously just wanted (so created) something different.

Again there is more than meets the eye. I went to a step-show this past spring which was hosted by an MCGLO - Alpha Omega Omega at West Virginia University. There were NPHC and LGLO orgs who participated and attended. At the after party/celebration, there was a lot of camaraderie and support. No I haven't been to so many schools...but I'm sure elsewhere, NPHC orgs show their love and support to MCGLOs and LGLOs...and it's not one big "hate fest" going on.

Also IFC groups I know for sure have line names (I have Lambda Chi Alphas, AEPis, and Sigma Chis as friends)...and get jerseys or shirts with those names on them. NPC groups have handsigns (although I think some are unofficial...but they still have them). My sorority also calls the steps in the recruitment process rush, bid, pledge, initiation, induction (along the lines of NPC) and we do not have a probate. On the individual chapter level our sisters can step...stroll...whatever. But our National Headquarters does not organize a "national" or even "regional" step team.

I understand it is pretty easy to generalize and put up comparisons; but we are new groups (most of us are less than 25 years old) and we pretty much deserve the opportunity to do our own thing without the NPC/IFC/NPHC being held up to us as measuring sticks.

I just wanted to add my 2 cents....

- YES, people WILL compare your newer orgs with the older ones, especially when most, if not all, your traditions are "borrowed" from the NPHC.

- And no, the IFC doesn't have "line names." They're called nicknames or pledge names, depending on what region you're from. And they have been around for a while now, not the past few years or the past decade.

- How exactly are you all doing "your own thing" if, as far as customs and traditions go, you're not bringing anything new to the table?

[preciousjeni]

Originally Posted by PANTHERTEKE

- How exactly are you all doing "your own thing" if, as far as customs and traditions go, you're not bringing anything new to the table?

Are you asking MsDGP007 or was that a general MCGLO "you"?

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by PANTHERTEKE

- And no, the IFC doesn't have "line names." They're called nicknames or pledge names, depending on what region you're from. And they have been around for a while now, not the past few years or the past decade.

I've heard some members of NIC/IFC organizations refer to them as line names. This is probably a local/regional thing (as discussed previously) and I'm sure that's what she meant.

[Ch2tf]

Originally Posted by PANTHERTEKE

I just wanted to add my 2 cents....

- YES, people WILL compare your newer orgs with the older ones, especially when most, if not all, your traditions are "borrowed" from the NPHC.

- And no, the IFC doesn't have "line names." They're called nicknames or pledge names, depending on what region you're from. And they have been around for a while now, not the past few years or the past decade.

- How exactly are you all doing "your own thing" if, as far as customs and traditions go, you're not bringing anything new to the table?

I think you should tread a tad bit more lightly.
1) It has been evidenced in previous threads that your general MCGLO and LGLO knowledge are limited to your campus (which btw based on what you have posted previously does not reflect said organizations nationally)

2) to equate the traditions that you see (or choose to see) as being the only traditions that said organizations have is a very limited scope. I suggest you take the time to learn more about non-NIC organizations before you start making blanket statements like those above.

[33girl]

He is right about the fact that NIC groups and NPC groups have pledge class names and nicknames. They are not "line names" as those groups don't have "lines."

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by 33girl

He is right about the fact that NIC groups and NPC groups have pledge class names and nicknames. They are not "line names" as those groups don't have "lines."

They may not have lines, but some people refer to them as such.

[starang21]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

They may not have lines, but some people refer to them as such.

who?????

[PANTHERTEKE]

Originally Posted by Ch2tf

I think you should tread a tad bit more lightly.
1) It has been evidenced in previous threads that your general MCGLO and LGLO knowledge are limited to your campus (which btw based on what you have posted previously does not reflect said organizations nationally)

2) to equate the traditions that you see (or choose to see) as being the only traditions that said organizations have is a very limited scope. I suggest you take the time to learn more about non-NIC organizations before you start making blanket statements like those above.

No, my "general MCGLO and LGLO knowledge" is not limited to my campus, seeing as how there are barely any on my campus. Meaning.. If all I knew about these orgs were from what I saw on my campus, I wouldn't know as much as I know.

As far as the traditions that EVERYONE sees, they are not new. I'm not referring to the purpose, mission, niche, etc of your organizations.

I'm talking about what you see EXTERNALLY such as hand signs, calls, stepping, lines, line names, having "aces, deuces, tails" etc, probate/coming out shows, underground pledging, etc.

None of that is new or was introduced into Greekdom by Multicultural/Latin/Asian/Southeast-Asian/etc GLOs. That is all I meant. Do you disagree?

Additionally, when did I ever say that those traditions were the ONLY ones that your orgs have? Never.

And my questions were being asked to the poster that I quoted, but if you all have anything to interject with then by all means do so.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by PANTHERTEKE

underground pledging

Maybe not....

[PANTHERTEKE]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

Maybe not....

I'm not saying that all MCGLOs have underground pledging. But if they were to have it, we all know they didn't get that idea from the NIC/NPC orgs.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by PANTHERTEKE

I'm not saying that all MCGLOs have underground pledging. But if they were to have it, we all know they didn't get that idea from the NIC/NPC orgs.

How would we really know if it's "underground," though?

Here's a little secret: Long ago in a far away land, there were non-NPHC fraternities and sororities (including IFC fraternities) that wanted to "cross-pledge" with NPHC sororities and fraternities.

Everywhere this has occurred, who knows, but one account states that the NPHCers who arrived found the IFC fraternity, for example, to be doing some similar things that the NPHCers do. Not the same but similar...one's imagination should kick in here.

So...aside from traditions that are allowed "above ground," it is difficult to say what people are doing behind closed doors (which has been said in this thread, too) unless people are talking too darn much. And that happens sometimes, of course.

[PANTHERTEKE]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

How would we really know if it's "underground," though?

Here's a little secret: Long ago in a far away land, there were non-NPHC fraternities and sororities (including IFC fraternities) that wanted to "cross-pledge" with NPHC sororities and fraternities.

Everywhere this has occurred, who knows, but one account states that the NPHCers who arrived found the IFC fraternity, for example, to be doing some similar things that the NPHCers do. Not the same but similar...one's imagination should kick in here.

So...aside from traditions that are allowed "above ground," it is difficult to say what people are doing behind closed doors (which has been said in this thread, too) unless people are talking too darn much. And that happens sometimes, of course.

I agree with you.

I think that our organizations may have more in common "behind closed doors" than we like to think. Which is why it bothers me when people assume that "white orgs" aren't "tough" because we don't "pledge" hard.

Either way, I was more referring to the fact that some cultural orgs make their pledges keep their pledgeship a secret, as opposed to NIC/NPC orgs.

And to Senusret I, there is no fundamental difference between a "line" and a "pledge class." Its just different terms.

But my point was that the fact that these cultural orgs use the terms that NPHC orgs use proves that they "borrow" a lot from the NPHC.

[Elephant Walk]

Originally Posted by PANTHERTEKE

I'm not saying that all MCGLOs have underground pledging. But if they were to have it, we all know they didn't get that idea from the NIC/NPC orgs.

Uhhh, I know at least two chapters of my fraternity who underground pledge.

[starang21]

having to line up doesn't mean you're on line.

:unsure:

[PANTHERTEKE]

Originally Posted by starang21

having to line up doesn't mean you're on line.

:unsure:

It just means you're IN line.

And I agree with the person who said this thread is redundant.