Why do LGLO/MCGLOs follow NPHC practices?

[DSTCHAOS]

There go those African traditions!

[AKA_Monet]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

There go those African traditions!

Cleland???

[AKA_Monet]

Sneaking into the Movies... Pre bootleg...

I'm working on getting the Hoe Cakes!!!

[CULater]

can we ask why NPC/IFC or Asian-Interest orgs are starting to "adopt" some of the NPHC traditions (specifically stepping). Sometimes, I run across them on youtube, and it was painful to watch.

[PANTHERTEKE]

Originally Posted by CULater

can we ask why NPC/IFC or Asian-Interest orgs are starting to "adopt" some of the NPHC traditions (specifically stepping). Sometimes, I run across them on youtube, and it was painful to watch.

Same reason a lot of latin/multicultural orgs do it- because they think it's cool.

But unlike LGLOs and MCGLOs, IF and when an IFC/NPC group does it, they usually just do it for a show or something and they don't try to take it and pass it off as their own.

Not that I condone either case. I think stepping should stay in the NPHC.

[Little32]

Soror Monet and Chaos, you two are a mess. lol.

[VandalSquirrel]

Originally Posted by Elephant Walk

I've lived there for over a half a year.

I have good black German friends.

They are completely different than Black Americans in nearly every aspect except for how they dress.

There is no "pan-African" similarities. To believe otherwise is simply retarded. Yes, there are commonalities. Because they're humans and humans, believe it or not, have a lot in common with other humans. The fact that black Americans pretend like they have any connection to Africa is absolutely absurd.

Originally Posted by Elephant Walk

Prove it.

At this point you'll generally sulk off and call me an idiot with no way to back it up. For you to believe that black Americans with absolutely no connection to Africa (...how long's it been...7 generations?) has commonalities in terms of personality or otherwise (besides being human) you would have to believe in nature over nurture. That you are born with innate tendencies that span cultural lines. If you believe that, then you're laughable to begin with. I have absolutely no connections with my German/English/French/Dutch relatives and many of my ancestors came to this country long after yours likely did.


Your ability to manipulate what I said is mindboggling. It's a selective observation which provides an example to a much grander observation.


*smack*

To begin with, many if not most "African"-Americans have no idea what country they came from. Even further, it wouldn't matter because the country was not important because it only reflected colonial boundaries and not tribal boundaries. Tribal boundaries are a far more important way of discovering your ancestors histories because it would lead you to what sort of foods they ate and the religions they practiced. Furthermore, Italian-Americans who are proud of their heritage tend to be recent immigrants (early 1900's), just a few generations removed from their homeland. Whereas "African"-Americans are what...seven generations removed? More? My Grandma regularly spoke German in the house. Of what connection do I have to Germany? I've never lived there. My German is terrible.

Well which is it?

[starang21]

Originally Posted by CULater

can we ask why NPC/IFC or Asian-Interest orgs are starting to "adopt" some of the NPHC traditions (specifically stepping). Sometimes, I run across them on youtube, and it was painful to watch.

when you say "we", do you mean "we", as "hispanic organizations who adopt NPHC traditions?"

[MsDGP007]

Perhaps from the outside looking in...it seems that LGLOs & MCGLOs copy a lot from NPHC orgs; and maybe some do more than others (I can only speak for my own org so...). However by the definition of what we are (Greek Lettered Secrets Societies), we all will have similarities. In fact my sorority has characteristics in common with NPHC groups, NPC groups, honorary and even community-based sororities. Our founders were not "rejected" from NPHC groups...but seriously just wanted (so created) something different.

Again there is more than meets the eye. I went to a step-show this past spring which was hosted by an MCGLO - Alpha Omega Omega at West Virginia University. There were NPHC and LGLO orgs who participated and attended. At the after party/celebration, there was a lot of camaraderie and support. No I haven't been to so many schools...but I'm sure elsewhere, NPHC orgs show their love and support to MCGLOs and LGLOs...and it's not one big "hate fest" going on.

Also IFC groups I know for sure have line names (I have Lambda Chi Alphas, AEPis, and Sigma Chis as friends)...and get jerseys or shirts with those names on them. NPC groups have handsigns (although I think some are unofficial...but they still have them). My sorority also calls the steps in the recruitment process rush, bid, pledge, initiation, induction (along the lines of NPC) and we do not have a probate. On the individual chapter level our sisters can step...stroll...whatever. But our National Headquarters does not organize a "national" or even "regional" step team.

I understand it is pretty easy to generalize and put up comparisons; but we are new groups (most of us are less than 25 years old) and we pretty much deserve the opportunity to do our own thing without the NPC/IFC/NPHC being held up to us as measuring sticks.

[rhoyaltempest]

Originally Posted by MsDGP007

Perhaps from the outside looking in...it seems that LGLOs & MCGLOs copy a lot from NPHC orgs; and maybe some do more than others (I can only speak for my own org so...). However by the definition of what we are (Greek Lettered Secrets Societies), we all will have similarities. In fact my sorority has characteristics in common with NPHC groups, NPC groups, honorary and even community-based sororities. Our founders were not "rejected" from NPHC groups...but seriously just wanted (so created) something different.

Again there is more than meets the eye. I went to a step-show this past spring which was hosted by an MCGLO - Alpha Omega Omega at West Virginia University. There were NPHC and LGLO orgs who participated and attended. At the after party/celebration, there was a lot of camaraderie and support. No I haven't been to so many schools...but I'm sure elsewhere, NPHC orgs show their love and support to MCGLOs and LGLOs...and it's not one big "hate fest" going on.

Also IFC groups I know for sure have line names (I have Lambda Chi Alphas, AEPis, and Sigma Chis as friends)...and get jerseys or shirts with those names on them. NPC groups have handsigns (although I think some are unofficial...but they still have them). My sorority also calls the steps in the recruitment process rush, bid, pledge, initiation, induction (along the lines of NPC) and we do not have a probate. On the individual chapter level our sisters can step...stroll...whatever. But our National Headquarters does not organize a "national" or even "regional" step team.

I understand it is pretty easy to generalize and put up comparisons; but we are new groups (most of us are less than 25 years old) and we pretty much deserve the opportunity to do our own thing without the NPC/IFC/NPHC being held up to us as measuring sticks.

We are NOT secret societies. If we were, we damn sure wouldn't be serving the community. Many organizations have secrets or confidential information but that does not make them secret societies. I didn't even read the rest of your post because you started off wrong.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by MsDGP007

Also IFC groups I know for sure have line names (I have Lambda Chi Alphas, AEPis, and Sigma Chis as friends)...and get jerseys or shirts with those names on them. NPC groups have handsigns (although I think some are unofficial...but they still have them).

This varies WIDELY from school to school and chapter to chapter.

There might be official handsigns in some of the NPC groups, but how they are used currently may not be in line with why they were created.

[PANTHERTEKE]

Originally Posted by MsDGP007

Perhaps from the outside looking in...it seems that LGLOs & MCGLOs copy a lot from NPHC orgs; and maybe some do more than others (I can only speak for my own org so...). However by the definition of what we are (Greek Lettered Secrets Societies), we all will have similarities. In fact my sorority has characteristics in common with NPHC groups, NPC groups, honorary and even community-based sororities. Our founders were not "rejected" from NPHC groups...but seriously just wanted (so created) something different.

Again there is more than meets the eye. I went to a step-show this past spring which was hosted by an MCGLO - Alpha Omega Omega at West Virginia University. There were NPHC and LGLO orgs who participated and attended. At the after party/celebration, there was a lot of camaraderie and support. No I haven't been to so many schools...but I'm sure elsewhere, NPHC orgs show their love and support to MCGLOs and LGLOs...and it's not one big "hate fest" going on.

Also IFC groups I know for sure have line names (I have Lambda Chi Alphas, AEPis, and Sigma Chis as friends)...and get jerseys or shirts with those names on them. NPC groups have handsigns (although I think some are unofficial...but they still have them). My sorority also calls the steps in the recruitment process rush, bid, pledge, initiation, induction (along the lines of NPC) and we do not have a probate. On the individual chapter level our sisters can step...stroll...whatever. But our National Headquarters does not organize a "national" or even "regional" step team.

I understand it is pretty easy to generalize and put up comparisons; but we are new groups (most of us are less than 25 years old) and we pretty much deserve the opportunity to do our own thing without the NPC/IFC/NPHC being held up to us as measuring sticks.

I just wanted to add my 2 cents....

- YES, people WILL compare your newer orgs with the older ones, especially when most, if not all, your traditions are "borrowed" from the NPHC.

- And no, the IFC doesn't have "line names." They're called nicknames or pledge names, depending on what region you're from. And they have been around for a while now, not the past few years or the past decade.

- How exactly are you all doing "your own thing" if, as far as customs and traditions go, you're not bringing anything new to the table?

[TotallyWicked]

To answer the question at hand....I read an article about Latinos immigrants acclimation to 'Black' culture as opposed to the mainstream 'White' culture. The article, which I will ask my brother to send to me again...explained that Latinos (unless they are of dominantly European descent), are knowledgeable that they will not fit in with the dominant culture so they blend in with the 'other'. I say 'other' because ultimately we are still in a Black-White dichotomy in the U.S.

Being that Latinos, can fall under any racial category in the U.S., I think it'd be interesting to see which LGLO's engage in NPHC-esque practices and which do so in IFC/NPC-esque practices. I am not surprised to see many LGLO's founded on the East Coast sharing vast similarities to NPHC orgs, alot has to do with the culture amalgamations between Blacks and Latinos.

I have met members of LGLO's from the West Coast who partake in IFC/NPC practices, I think alot has to do with the long presence of Latinos in the west coast, some who have been able to fully assimilate and find more similarity with the mainstream culture as opposed to the 'other'.

There is a refutation to this argument especially if we look at Texas, and at orgs like Omega Delta Phi and Kappa Delta Chi...knight_shadow you can explain this better than I can...so shoot LOL, but these orgs follow more NPHC practices as opposed to IFC/NPC despite Latinos being present longer in that state than Blacks; I think alot has to do with the second class citizenship Latinos held (and continue to do so) with regards to the history of Texas despite having a long presence and the similarity they hold with that to Blacks, African Americans especially.

That is not to say Cali Latinos did not share the same second class citizenship but the fact that TX ultimately fought to become its own country after removing itself from Mexico then becoming an American state could answer that question.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by TotallyWicked

There is a refutation to this argument especially if we look at Texas, and at orgs like Omega Delta Phi and Kappa Delta Chi...knight_shadow you can explain this better than I can...so shoot LOL, but these orgs follow more NPHC practices as opposed to IFC/NPC despite Latinos being present longer in that state than Blacks; I think alot has to do with the second class citizenship Latinos held (and continue to do so) with regards to the history of Texas despite having a long presence and the similarity they hold with that to Blacks, African Americans especially.

That is not to say Cali Latinos did not share the same second class citizenship but the fact that TX ultimately fought to become its own country after removing itself from Mexico then becoming an American state could answer that question.

As far as why ODPhi and KDChi seem to follow NPHC practices: Both organizations were founded at Texas Tech, which has a pretty solid Greek system (For example, one of my friends initiated into an NPC sorority with 142 other girls - and from what I understand, this is a normal-sized class). For a new organization being formed, getting numbers like that is going to be impossible, so emulating the recruitment styles would not be effective. The NPHC organizations accomplished a great deal of work with far less numbers, and this was more in line with our organizations. As far as why line jackets/strolling/stepping, etc is used -- I'm not too sure about that. Several of the old heads that I've spoken to have stated that there was a lot of support from the Alphas, so it may have been seen as OK to partake in those practices.

Also, one of ODPhi's founders is black, so it's possible that he grew up around members of the NPHC and saw their styles as "normal Greek life," regardless of the letters.

Being that Latinos, can fall under any racial category in the U.S., I think it'd be interesting to see which LGLO's engage in NPHC-esque practices and which do so in IFC/NPC-esque practices. I am not surprised to see many LGLO's founded on the East Coast sharing vast similarities to NPHC orgs, alot has to do with the culture amalgamations between Blacks and Latinos.

I have met members of LGLO's from the West Coast who partake in IFC/NPC practices, I think alot has to do with the long presence of Latinos in the west coast, some who have been able to fully assimilate and find more similarity with the mainstream culture as opposed to the 'other'.

I'm not familiar with any NALFO organizations using an NIC/NPC-style recruitment, so I'm also interested in seeing who does what.

[TotallyWicked]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

As far as why ODPhi and KDChi seem to follow NPHC practices: Both organizations were founded at Texas Tech, which has a pretty solid Greek system (For example, one of my friends initiated into an NPC sorority with 142 other girls - and from what I understand, this is a normal-sized class). For a new organization being formed, getting numbers like that is going to be impossible, so emulating the recruitment styles would not be effective. The NPHC organizations accomplished a great deal of work with far less numbers, and this was more in line with our organizations. As far as why line jackets/strolling/stepping, etc is used -- I'm not too sure about that. Several of the old heads that I've spoken to have stated that there was a lot of support from the Alphas, so it may have been seen as OK to partake in those practices.

Also, one of ODPhi's founders is black, so it's possible that he grew up around members of the NPHC and saw their styles as "normal Greek life," regardless of the letters.



I'm not familiar with any NALFO organizations using an NIC/NPC-style recruitment, so I'm also interested in seeing who does what.

oh they weren't NALFO orgs