NPC sororities and other national sororities

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by PhiRhoSister

Should a NPC sorority accept for membership initiated members or a chapter of another national sorority? The answer to this lies in the standards that NPC sororities hold themselves to.

So should a NPC sorority accept a petition for charter by a chapter of a non-NPC national sorority? No - the Unanimous Agreements only mentions "local sorority, local women's fraternity, or interest group" and NPC’s definition of local is a sorority without guidance from or affiliation with any national organization.

From Agreement on Extension under Unanimous Agreements
When a local sorority, local women’s fraternity, or interest group is applying to any member group of NPC for a charter, no other member fraternity of NPC shall communicate with that group, either directly or indirectly.
An NPC fraternity being petitioned for a charter by a local sorority, local women’s fraternity, or interest group located on a campus where a College Panhellenic Association is established shall require that the petitioning organization conform to the College Panhellenic Association’s established rules, regulations, and policies concerning membership recruitment, pledging, initiation and other activities.

So should a NPC sorority accept for membership a group of women who are initiated members of a non-NPC national sorority? No – if the NPC sorority respects other national sororities and expects respect from others in return.

Each NPC sorority agreed to the Unanimous Agreement: a women who is or who has ever been an initiated member of an existing NPC fraternity shall not be eligible for membership in another NPC fraternity. However, the NPC also requires that any organization applying for Associate or Active membership to not have as a member any woman who holds membership in, has resigned from, or been expelled from any other fraternity which is a member of the NPC.

Thus, if the purpose of such an Agreement is to make sure each NPC sorority respect the other NPC national sororities AND the NPC requires any national sorority to essentially abide by such an Agreement in order to become a NPC member, then for an NPC sorority to accept for membership a group of women who are initiated members of a non-NPC national sorority is the height of hypocrisy.

Your error in thinking begins with assuming that NPC's unaninous agreements have anything to do with local chapters or Non-NPC national organizations. These agreements extend ONLY to NPC member organizations. The NPC's rules were established to protect its members not the numerous non-NPC groups out there. Like kddani said....if you want NPC protection, join the NPC! As for getting respect from Non-npc groups...I doubt NPC is overly concerned with your opinions.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

Your error in thinking begins with assuming that NPC's unaninous agreements have anything to do with local chapters or Non-NPC national organizations. These agreements extend ONLY to NPC member organizations. The NPC's rules were established to protect its members not the numerous non-NPC groups out there. Like kddani said....if you want NPC protection, join the NPC! As for getting respect from Non-npc groups...I doubt NPC is overly concerned with your opinions.

Two flaws here, one, the NPC has requirements to join, requirements that are thwarted by NPC absorption of non-NPC chapters; two, the question is not whether the NPC as an organization or a group of organizations are concerned about the chapters opinions, but whether the NPC should be concerned.

Of course, I suspect the NPC isn't much concerned with my opinion either.

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

Two flaws here, one, the NPC has requirements to join, requirements that are thwarted by NPC absorption of non-NPC chapters; two, the question is not whether the NPC as an organization or a group of organizations are concerned about the chapters opinions, but whether the NPC should be concerned.

Of course, I suspect the NPC isn't much concerned with my opinion either.

I don't know what you mean by "thwarted." In the recent cases, the NPC agreements have been followed.

[texas*princess]

While I agree that the NPC resolutions were created to protect "their own", I don't think that it's right for NPCs to absorb chapters who are initated members of other non-NPC National sororities - whether they be all-women chapters of traditionally co-ed Nat'l service orgs (I think it was Senruset who said some all-female chapters of APO have been absorbed by NPCs), or other groups like that.

As naiive as this sounds, it's called the "Golden Rule". Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

I can bet that if a non-NPC Nat'l sorority wanted to initiate a chapter of an NPC org, that NPC group would be pissed off about it just as a non-NPC Nat'l group would be if a NPC took away one of their chapters.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

I don't know what you mean by "thwarted." In the recent cases, the NPC agreements have been followed.

Saying "well they should just join the NPC" doesn't work when there is a minimum chapter requirement to join the NPC and your chapters get absorbed by other orgs. The policy of allowing absorption is not one that encourages other orgs to join the NPC, it's more like dangling membership just out of reach, and yanking it away if you get close.

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

Saying "well they should just join the NPC" doesn't work when there is a minimum chapter requirement to join the NPC and your chapters get absorbed by other orgs. The policy of allowing absorption is not one that encourages other orgs to join the NPC, it's more like dangling membership just out of reach, and yanking it away if you get close.

I see your point, but the NPC didn't go to these chapters and ask them to jump ship from their national org. To help these non-NPC groups grow, we must turn down legitimate chapters seeking affiliation who have no intention of staying in the non-NPC group since they don't provide the services they promised? NPC organizations have not been aggressive in these situations so why should they have to apologize for a national not growing or succeeding? It sounds like KBG tried to expand too quickly and was not able to keep up. I doubt they are going to fold like a cheap suit just because one of their new chapters decided not to stay with them. From all of the posts by the one member BootyKBG, they are trying to reorganize. I wish them the best of luck. I think any of our groups can sympathize with chapters closing because they made poor choices or things didn't work out like they planned.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

I see your point, but the NPC didn't go to these chapters and ask them to jump ship from their national org. To help these non-NPC groups grow, we must turn down legitimate chapters seeking affiliation who have no intention of staying in the non-NPC group since they don't provide the services they promised?

I think that part of the issue with the 2 KBG chapters that did this is that not only did they affiliate with an NPC, they closed their chapter. They could have disaffiliated as individuals, formed an interest group and found an NPC the same way - while keeping the KBG chapter open for any other individuals who might still want that choice, or for their national to come in and try to reorganize.

It's kind of like going through rush and saying "not only am I not going to put ABC on my pref card, I am going to find all the pref cards w/ ABC on them and erase them."

[DSTRen13]

There have been instances of an NPC chapter being suspended at a school, and interested girls bringing a non-NPC group to their school to join "in the meantime". (This happens with NPHC and certain groups as well.) Obviously, this is WRONG to do, but it's even more wrong when once the NPC group comes back and all the girls who really wanted to join that group bolt from the group they brought to campus and leave a handful of girls behind who joined the org for the right reasons. IMO, it would be completely inexcusable for those girls to shut down the chapter they created for their "in the meantime" group.

(I realize this is not the same as the two instances that you are discussing, I just wanted to throw it in as something that does happen.)

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by 33girl

I think that part of the issue with the 2 KBG chapters that did this is that not only did they affiliate with an NPC, they closed their chapter. They could have disaffiliated as individuals, formed an interest group and found an NPC the same way - while keeping the KBG chapter open for any other individuals who might still want that choice, or for their national to come in and try to reorganize.

It's kind of like going through rush and saying "not only am I not going to put ABC on my pref card, I am going to find all the pref cards w/ ABC on them and erase them."

You are assuming that any women were left in the chapter to keep it running. Nothing was really stopping KBG from going in and recruiting new members to keep the chapter open. Forming an interest group is simply a formality. In the end, the result would be the same. An interest group of former KBG members and no KBG chapter.