Kappa Beta Gamma/Kappa Delta

[nittanyalum]

Originally Posted by Ch2tf

This is sort of the problem right here. NPC absorbtion is definitely not something I'm very familiar with, however, I think it relates to chapter issues/operations in general across all GLOs. Undergrads always think of college as an end all be all. Baring an early death or intentional disaffiliation, you will be an alumna of your sorority WAAAAAAAAAY longer than you will be an undergrad member. I can't recall the length of time KBG was at F&M, but all of that history was sort of lost once you ladies decided as a chapter to leave.

But these undergrads weren't even getting the full college experience, it sounds like. No materials, training, support, marketing through a website that would help them in rush, etc. So they would graduate into alum status and, what? They would still know very little and probably not be successful building an alum chapter if they had difficulty even running their undergrad chapter. And if I remember correctly, hadn't the chapter only been there since 2002 or so? So it's not like there was a ton of chapter history they were "destroying".

[33girl]

Originally Posted by nittanyalum

But these undergrads weren't even getting the full college experience, it sounds like. No materials, training, support, marketing through a website that would help them in rush, etc. So they would graduate into alum status and, what? They would still know very little and probably not be successful building an alum chapter if they had difficulty even running their undergrad chapter.

Oh come now.

We both know that there are chapters out there who are definitely having the "full college experience" even if their nationals may not be up to par with the other groups on campus.

I didn't see anything that said the KBG chapter had trouble with numbers or campus involvement or being successful as a collegiate chapter. If they sucked at all that, I honestly don't think anyone would have picked them up.

[nittanyalum]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Oh come now.

We both know that there are chapters out there who are definitely having the "full college experience" even if their nationals may not be up to par with the other groups on campus.

I didn't see anything that said the KBG chapter had trouble with numbers or campus involvement or being successful as a collegiate chapter. If they sucked at all that, I honestly don't think anyone would have picked them up.

I'm not saying they were having numbers trouble or weren't a strong chapter on the campus, I'm reading that the women were given very little guidance and know-how in terms of how to actually be KBGs. And I can imagine that once they were in the org (and trying to run it), not having information and resources would be very frustrating. And if they didn't feel they were informed and empowered enough to really run a "KBG chapter", to me, that's not getting the full experience. And I'm sure it also was easy to see the differences in how they were trying to operate vs. how the NPC chapter on campus was able to operate.

[ta kala]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Oh come now.

We both know that there are chapters out there who are definitely having the "full college experience" even if their nationals may not be up to par with the other groups on campus.

I didn't see anything that said the KBG chapter had trouble with numbers or campus involvement or being successful as a collegiate chapter. If they sucked at all that, I honestly don't think anyone would have picked them up.

I do just want to say that before Alpha Phi colonized, KBG had approx 50-60 members and Chi Omega had 100+. These women are tops on campus in terms of leadership and academics, but to try to compete with the only other sorority on campus is difficult when they are twice your size.

Also, knowing this campus and knowing the personality of these groups, Chi Omega and KBG are very different and seek very different women. With recruitment being deferred, PNMs knew which group they wanted even before going to events. Trust me, these women are not visiting websites or comparing dues and support to find the best sorority for them.

[kddani]

I can't believe no one had even commented that a member of KGB's national leadership came on here and put a former chapter of theirs on blast like she did... IMO, it says a lot about the leadership of the group.

The ladies that have posted on here that are members of the chapter in question have handled themselves with absolute class, considering the attacks they are undergoing.

It sounds like they did everything they could... a year and a half of disaffiliating? Why on earth would it even take that long (especially considering how young the chapter was)?

[Katmandu]

Originally Posted by kddani

The ladies that have posted on here that are members of the chapter in question have handled themselves with absolute class...

Amen!

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by kddani

I can't believe no one had even commented that a member of KGB's national leadership came on here and put a former chapter of theirs on blast like she did... IMO, it says a lot about the leadership of the group.

The ladies that have posted on here that are members of the chapter in question have handled themselves with absolute class, considering the attacks they are undergoing.

It sounds like they did everything they could... a year and a half of disaffiliating? Why on earth would it even take that long (especially considering how young the chapter was)?

Ditto! I also think it's funny how people are chastising these women for making a choice in a situation only really known to them. Sure, in a perfect world with all options being equal, a chapter should be loyal to its national group. Clearly, however, options were not all equal. The situation is what it is...I choose to believe that these decisions were not made lightly!

[33girl]

Originally Posted by ta kala

Also, knowing this campus and knowing the personality of these groups, Chi Omega and KBG are very different and seek very different women. With recruitment being deferred, PNMs knew which group they wanted even before going to events. Trust me, these women are not visiting websites or comparing dues and support to find the best sorority for them.

Then if the women in the sorority are the most important thing, what does it matter if they're KD, KBG, or a local?

You can't have it both ways.

And this is FAR from the first time a national sorority officer has put a chapter or an individual on blast on GC. They just didn't do it with their name attached.