Gays in fraternites (pt. 2)

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by Little32

To think that American culture can be defined in the space of a brief paragraph is just silly.

Well, my question could've been answered in a paragraph. I didn't ask them to define or analyze the concepts that go into American culture.

I just wanted their opinions and not an external source. When most people expouse certain viewpoints, particularly moral outrage, they are doing so from raw emotion and not from a well-read foundation. That's how you get to bare opinions. As far as informed opinions, they can read and define on their own time. I hope they do.

[Little32]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

Well, my question could've been answered in a paragraph. I didn't ask them to define or analyze the concepts that go into American culture.

These guys are full of crap; they are pulling claims out of their ears and they are not really supporting them or even really engaging them critically, which is all that you asked them to do.

[CrackerBarrel]

We pretty well covered what was relevant to the conversation at hand.

It's not my responsibility to respond to any inane and irrelevant question that she asks, she's welcome to be a stubborn and baiting ass all she wants, just don't expect an answer unless it's a tangent I feel like going off on.

[Pledgetrainer]

If she refuses to see the answer, which we have phrased 14 different ways, it's not worth anybody's time.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by CrackerBarrel

We pretty well covered what was relevant to the conversation at hand.

Okay. Keep fighting the good fight.

Originally Posted by CrackerBarrel

It's not my responsibility to respond to any inane and irrelevant question that she asks, she's welcome to be a stubborn and baiting ass all she wants, just don't expect an answer unless it's a tangent I feel like going off on.

Well, you've certainly spent the last few pages not answering my question. But you did well at trying to answer or convince me that you did answer. Good job.

/end transmission

[nate2512]

You people are ridiculous, you're cornering and putting them down because they don't believe in what you do.

You ever notice how none of these ridiculous cult sects are found anywhere in the South?

These things are the decline of American culture, many people claiming to be the messiah, but sexually molesting people. All these ridiculous child abuse, the amount of murders of people over the money in their wallet. When illegal immigrants are getting more from the government than the people actually paying for all this? Why should I bust my ass making all kinds of money just to give it to some poor bum on the side of the street because he can't make an honest living like every other working class american? I shouldn't have to pay for someones mistakes because some hoe can't keep her legs closed. When people come in our country, and then hold marches in our country begging to become legal, they really have no LEGAL right to do this because they aren't LEGAL citizens. How Puerto Rico gets to help elect MY president. How you can have NAACP but if I had anything exclusively for protection of white rights, then it would be racist. To require a company to employ a certain number of minority people even though they may not be the most qualified. This is the decline of the American culture.. What's next? It must end somewhere, or the United States is going to become a Wild West show where people are going to be able to whatever they please because we might offend someone.

This may get be banned, so be it, this is how I feel.

[Pledgetrainer]

Originally Posted by nate2512

You people are ridiculous, you're cornering and putting them down because they don't believe in what you do.

You ever notice how none of these ridiculous cult sects are found anywhere in the South?

These things are the decline of American culture, many people claiming to be the messiah, but sexually molesting people. All these ridiculous child abuse, the amount of murders of people over the money in their wallet. When illegal immigrants are getting more from the government than the people actually paying for all this? Why should I bust my ass making all kinds of money just to give it to some poor bum on the side of the street because he can't make an honest living like every other working class american? I shouldn't have to pay for someones mistakes because some hoe can't keep her legs closed. When people come in our country, and then hold marches in our country begging to become legal, they really have no LEGAL right to do this because they aren't LEGAL citizens. How Puerto Rico gets to help elect MY president. How you can have NAACP but if I had anything exclusively for protection of white rights, then it would be racist. To require a company to employ a certain number of minority people even though they may not be the most qualified. This is the decline of the American culture.. What's next? It must end somewhere, or the United States is going to become a Wild West show where people are going to be able to whatever they please because we might offend someone.

This may get be banned, so be it, this is how I feel.

And I'm quoting this just for posterity. If that ain't an answer straight from the heart, nothing is.

[BlueNYC2]

Originally Posted by nate2512

You people are ridiculous, you're cornering and putting them down because they don't believe in what you do.

You ever notice how none of these ridiculous cult sects are found anywhere in the South?

These things are the decline of American culture, many people claiming to be the messiah, but sexually molesting people. All these ridiculous child abuse, the amount of murders of people over the money in their wallet. When illegal immigrants are getting more from the government than the people actually paying for all this? Why should I bust my ass making all kinds of money just to give it to some poor bum on the side of the street because he can't make an honest living like every other working class american? I shouldn't have to pay for someones mistakes because some hoe can't keep her legs closed. When people come in our country, and then hold marches in our country begging to become legal, they really have no LEGAL right to do this because they aren't LEGAL citizens. How Puerto Rico gets to help elect MY president. How you can have NAACP but if I had anything exclusively for protection of white rights, then it would be racist. To require a company to employ a certain number of minority people even though they may not be the most qualified. This is the decline of the American culture.. What's next? It must end somewhere, or the United States is going to become a Wild West show where people are going to be able to whatever they please because we might offend someone.

This may get be banned, so be it, this is how I feel.

i really didnt want to say nothing in this thread, but i couldnt let this post get by me...


first off...Puerto Rico is a commonwealth and has no vote in the general election, they can only vote in the primaries, just like all the other Territories the US has.

The reason why the NAACP was created was because back then, blacks didnt have a fair chance, so we needed an organization that would help level the playing field. and FYI, the naacp was NOT founded by black folks, it was founded by a few white jewish folk. SURPRISE!!!!!!!!!!!!! i personally think the naacp is irrelevant now, but you know what, its better than having nothing tho.

and the reason for affirmative action is, because even though we're still in 2008, its still hard for qualified black folks to get positions. i'm not saying just hire any random black person, especially if there's someone more qualified than that person, but damn, without Aff. Action, we(black folks) would have even more odds stacked against us in the workforce.

lol @ protection of white rights...thats ****** hilarious...i'm dead ass yo, i'm really ****** laughin at that **** right now. dude, you have no idea how good you have it, real talk yo. i'm not even trying to make this a racial issue, but if you think that the few programs/organizations minorites have are taking away your "white rights" then i feel sorry for you.


Decline of america??? how bout the decline of america started when YOUR forefathers had slaves and was treating them worse than 2nd class citizens. Or about when companies place more value in the amount of money they make, and cutting down on overhead than in loyalty to & the welfare of their employees. Gays in america & fraternities/sororities is the least of the problems.


This is my opinion and my opinion only, and this does not reflect upon the views of Phi Beta Sigma Fraternity, *pulls back* INNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNCORPORATED!!!

[nate2512]

Originally Posted by BlueNYC2

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lol @ protection of white rights...thats ****** hilarious...i'm dead ass yo, i'm really ****** laughin at that **** right now. dude, you have no idea how good you have it, real talk yo.

That kills you're post, how did you make it to college with grammar like that? You're a prime example.

Can you put that into English instead of the mangled ****?

Decline of america??? how bout the decline of america started when YOUR forefathers had slaves and was treating them worse than 2nd class citizens. Or about when companies place more value in the amount of money they make, and cutting down on overhead than in loyalty to & the welfare of their employees. Gays in america & fraternities/sororities is the least of the problems.

The slavery issues been over for 150 years, drop it.


"We, as black folk have to do a better job....We have to start holding each other to a higher standard. We cannot blame the white people any longer." - Dr. William Henry Bill Cosby, Jr., Ed.D.

http://pufone.org/blog/bill-cosbys-rant/

[Little32]

Originally Posted by CountryClub

The question was "What is American culture?" which leads to a highly opinionated answer. One's perception of American culture can be altered by geography, personal values and experiences, religious beliefs, race, etc.

And this, I believe is what Chaos was trying to get at. (She will correct me if I am wrong.) So what, then, is the "true" definition, and are we really going to hell in a handbasket?

Originally Posted by CountryClub

The "claims" are our opinions which don't need to be supported or backed by anything really.

That's not true; my students labor under this misperception all the time. You do have to provide support unless you want your opinions to be read as random rantings. If that is your goal, then have at it.

[Pledgetrainer]

Originally Posted by Little32

And this, I believe is what Chaos was trying to get at.

Oh, so she wanted wealthy white college student in the Deep South? Fine, there's her culture. If that's the background you need to understand 6 pages of solid arguments, then there you go. If you're just being obtuse under the pretense of trying to facilitate critical thinking, then I'm done.

[Little32]

Originally Posted by Pledgetrainer

Oh, so she wanted wealthy white college student in the Deep South?

If you claim that the above = American culture, then we were done before we started.

[Pledgetrainer]

Originally Posted by Little32

If you claim that the above = American culture, then we were done before we started.

That's not my claim at all, but that seems to be what you want. If it makes you feel like a winner then fine. You have all the information, now digest it.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by Little32

And this, I believe is what Chaos was trying to get at. (She will correct me if I am wrong.) So what, then, is the "true" definition, and are we really going to hell in a handbasket?

Right. What is "culture" is less opinion-based but what is American culture can be very opinion-based. If you talk to some people, American culture is includes bigotry and the culture declined as soon as certain race, gender, and sexual orientation groups began having a voice.

Long arse conclusion below

The point is, whenever I talk to people about forms of deviance, many will reference American culture and moral decay. If you ask them what "culture" means and specifically what "American culture" is, many stutter and struggle. They usually will say "founded on Christian values" or "Bible wielding" or "we work hard." It's usually an emotional response based on exposure rather than one based on an overall knowledge and understanding, which is perfectly fine as long as people are honest. And it's fine if people want to attach religion and hardwork as fundamental components of American cultures, although that will vary and isn't an exhaustive list.

But these same people don't stutter and struggle when it comes to expousing certain viewpoints on moral decay and race, gender, social class, and sexual orientation minority groups. Then if you ask them whether there are people of minority groups who are Bible wielding Christians who work hard, they often struggle to find another reason why "these people" are contributing to cultural decay. I always say have whatever viewpoints you have but don't feel threatened when someone asks questions. It's not personal, it's discourse. No one can steal your viewpoints from you but anyone can ask you to explain it. Whether you do so is your business but these are things to consider. It's a healthy exercise to make sure you aren't just pulling opinions out of your ass for everything.

[Little32]

Originally Posted by CountryClub

Random rantings are the definition of an internet forum.

OK, but then don't get mad when your ideas are defined as such.

Your cohort is right, you were under no obligation to even attempt to respond to Chaos's question, but you did because you believed that what you have to say is true and should be defended; now you just have to work on the method of that defense.

Why do I feel like I am in class?