Gays in fraternites (pt. 2)

[perdido88]

I know of certain fraternities, which convey strong christian principles. The members consider homosexuality as something immoral, and there is an immorality clause in their rulebook, which states that they can expel a member if they conduct in an immoral manner. One of the members stated that if they know of a member, who is engaging in homosexual acts, then they can begin proceedings to expel such member. Never mind that many members are straight but engaging in adulterous affairs, which would constitute an immoral act. So it seems there are double standards.

[violetpretty]

Originally Posted by perdido88

I know of certain fraternities, which convey strong christian principles. The members consider homosexuality as something immoral, and there is an immorality clause in their rulebook, which states that they can expel a member if they conduct in an immoral manner. One of the members stated that if they know of a member, who is engaging in homosexual acts, then they can begin proceedings to expel such member. Never mind that many members are straight but engaging in adulterous affairs, which would constitute an immoral act. So it seems there are double standards.

Or engaging in sex before marriage. Are these NIC fraternities like Sigma Chi and ATO, with a strong Christian background (but do not require their members be Christian) or other fraternities that are more Christian focused to the point where no non-Christians would join?

[shinerbock]

There certainly is a double standard in some fraternities. But condoning some immorality doesn't mean it is a good idea to condone or bring in other immoral activity.

They're simply drawing the line somewhere. A lot of us will be friends with people who occasionally lie, or are cruel, etc. But most of us may not be friends with a thief or a rapist, etc. Is it hypocritical? Maybe. Certainly a double standard for a lot of Christians.

The answer is addressing your own problems, not in condoning other immoral behavior.

If fraternities were protesting and going on tv to talk about how all gay people are going to hell, then I'd agree with you. But I don't really see any public condemnation.

[jon1856]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

There certainly is a double standard in some fraternities. But condoning some immorality doesn't mean it is a good idea to condone or bring in other immoral activity.

They're simply drawing the line somewhere. A lot of us will be friends with people who occasionally lie, or are cruel, etc. But most of us may not be friends with a thief or a rapist, etc. Is it hypocritical? Maybe. Certainly a double standard for a lot of Christians.

The answer is addressing your own problems, not in condoning other immoral behavior.

If fraternities were protesting and going on tv to talk about how all gay people are going to hell, then I'd agree with you. But I don't really see any public condemnation.

I had to just about stop reading this at the very first line.
Double standards at some Fraternities???
Off the top of my head I can recall: Rape, drug use, destruction of public property,theft, riot, under age drinking, and hazing. And the line is drawn at a person being gay?
Perhaps I need to read the whole posting when I have the time too.

[starang21]

Originally Posted by jon1856

I had to just about stop reading this at the very first line.
Double standards at some Fraternities???
Off the top of my head I can recall: Rape, drug use, destruction of public property,theft, riot, under age drinking, and hazing. And the line is drawn at a person being gay?
Perhaps I need to read the whole posting when I have the time too.

people are hypocrites.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by starang21

people are hypocrites.

What a cop-out.

[starang21]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

What a cop-out.

i overlook some things and not others.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by jon1856

I had to just about stop reading this at the very first line.
Double standards at some Fraternities???
Off the top of my head I can recall: Rape, drug use, destruction of public property,theft, riot, under age drinking, and hazing.

I'll give you underage drinking, but surely you are not suggesting that rape, drug use, destruction of public property, theft and riot (or hazing, for that matter) happen in every chapter? (I have feeling that by "some fraternities," shinerbock meant "some chapters of some fraternities.") Because unless you are, the "some fraternities" fits.

[shinerbock]

Jon, I don't get what you're saying.

Because fraternities based on Christian tenets sometimes condone or ignore sinful behavior, they should openly welcome other sinful behavior? Maybe that is rational response in some universe, just not in mine.

What does rape have anything to do with it? I've certainly never been a part of any group that condones rape, or anything remotely close to rape. I hope you haven't either.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

Jon, I don't get what you're saying.

Because fraternities based on Christian tenets sometimes condone or ignore sinful behavior, they should openly welcome other sinful behavior? Maybe that is rational response in some universe, just not in mine.

I think the issue is the hypocrisy. If you won't condone sinful behavior, fine, but don't only play the morality card on homosexuality. If you have a morality standard than hold to it. If you only use said standard to keep out the people you don't like then you're a hypocrite.

(Plural You)