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Old 03-30-2008, 12:02 AM
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Let me also ask you this, do you feel left out of somethings in regards to these issues? Do you care? Help me understand? I am just asking?
Hi AKA_Monet,

Sorry for the delay replying to this. I wanted to give this last question some thought as well.

I do care deeply about these matters- and in the context of people I care about as well as the world in general.

I don't necessarily feel left out, but I do feel like some of my views are not welcome- and on both sides at the extreme.

I do believe that a number of African-Americans and other legally defined and protected minority groups take unfair/unintended advantage of legal protections offered to them. There is no doubt about it- I have seen it with my own eyes.

But I do not think this is because of their race- it is human nature. It is a tough world out there and we ALL take advantage of whatever opportunities we have. Some of us do that in a good way, and some of us do that in a negative way.

And for racial groups already in a position of privilege and power, the same happens but it is more of a status quo thing since obviously there are no legal protections necessary.

I also have observed that some people of ALL races, religious groups etc. do look out for their own first to a degree that is detrimental to the long term goal of a true melting-pot society.

This is all normal human behavior that transcends race, religion or any other defining characteristic one wants to use to parse the population into groups.

However, the cold hard reality is that African-Americans as a group seem to get the "shaft" when this happens.

This is what I want to understand and what I think needs fixing.

This Democratic Primary is a good example. Obama gets the African-American vote while Hillary is stronger among women, the aged and Hispanic voters.

This messy Democratic Primary is a perfect example of what scares me. Whichever way it goes, there is going to be a lot of ugliness.

African-American vs. Hispanic interests are the real key economically. The big problem Democrats have right now is the issue of immigration and jobs going abroad as two of their key target constituencies are at complete opposite ends of the spectrum on how to deal with such issues.

Slavery and segregation were abolished in prior generations- but I think in my generation we are going to have to come to grips with the realities of a global economy, a growing permanent underclass in the US resulting from globalization and outsourcing; and why that hits the African-American community like a sledgehammer.

But amid all this cold analysis are human faces.

Remember the case of Josiah Sutton in Houston anyone? I know his mother. I was there the day she found out his conviction was overturned on DNA evidence and I will never forget her falling to the ground crying to the Lord in gratitude that her son was about to be freed. I was terrified to later find out he was convicted and his brilliant life path destroyed because he was black and wearing the same color baseball cap as the actual assailant in the case. He was convicted on THAT lousy eyewitness testimony. What white man would be convicted on those flimsy grounds?

Or there is a lady I know who is a single mom and has an absolutely brilliant child. He has such a future ahead if he can survive where he is living now. This is one of the most intelligent kids I have ever met- and his Mom is fighting a losing battle to keep him away from those who want to bring him into a more dangerous life- a struggle most of us white people can never imagine.

And then there are the falsely prosecuted college students and lacrosse players from Duke U. who are free now but will forever be demonized in the minds of many- young men who were made into symbols of hate for no reason at all other than the political ambitions of others.

These are the individual people I lose sleep over.

And I get upset because a lot of self-proclaimed black leaders are just as responsible for some of these dilemmas as the existing power structure.

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Old 03-30-2008, 12:41 AM
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I do believe that a number of African-Americans and other legally defined and protected minority groups take unfair/unintended advantage of legal protections offered to them. There is no doubt about it- I have seen it with my own eyes.
I have not seen very many people of color take advantage of things legally offered them. I have not seen it, myself. That does not mean that it does not happen. Most people get what they deserve and work for 90% of time.


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I also have observed that some people of ALL races, religious groups etc. do look out for their own first to a degree that is detrimental to the long term goal of a true melting-pot society.

However, the cold hard reality is that African-Americans as a group seem to get the "shaft" when this happens.

This is what I want to understand and what I think needs fixing.
Well, folks get stabbed in the back by their own everyday. Black on black crime has gone up and is very violent. In my youth, many of my classmates started dying while pursuing gangs. Two of my friends were gunned down, 1 over a drug deal gone bad and one because he fought with doped out gang members. That was mid-1980's... A few folks in college decided to pay for school by selling drugs... They were criminally assaulted. These were all African Americans.

Positive interactions with my own has been tempered. Good and bad. But I have not given up, some of these "statistics" are in my own family... I don't know that many Caucasian families under similar circumstances. But I am meeting more and more who can relate. However, while growing up, I did not see my peers experiencing similar activities that I had friends and loved ones going through. Make sense?


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This Democratic Primary is a good example. Obama gets the African-American vote while Hillary is stronger among women, the aged and Hispanic voters.

This messy Democratic Primary is a perfect example of what scares me. Whichever way it goes, there is going to be a lot of ugliness.

African-American vs. Hispanic interests are the real key economically. The big problem Democrats have right now is the issue of immigration and jobs going abroad as two of their key target constituencies are at complete opposite ends of the spectrum on how to deal with such issues.

Slavery and segregation were abolished in prior generations- but I think in my generation we are going to have to come to grips with the realities of a global economy, a growing permanent underclass in the US resulting from globalization and outsourcing; and why that hits the African-American community like a sledgehammer.

But amid all this cold analysis are human faces.
I don't know about all of that now. Bill Richardson's endorsement of Obama was interesting to me. And bottomline it is the human faces in the end. Help the people become better people rather than destroy them or living by the sword...

That is MLK's legacy more than anything else. You should read Taylor Branch's "At Canaan's Edge". He interestingly was a part of the MLK movement right after the Bus Boycott as a Caucasian man... He was ~little older than you are now during that time... And the assasination of King is coming up on April 4, 2008...

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These are the individual people I lose sleep over.

And I get upset because a lot of self-proclaimed black leaders are just as responsible for some of these dilemmas as the existing power structure.
You can ponder these things if you'd like, but losing sleep? How will that work? How can you be effective as a leader by losing sleep?

I would not worry about these self-proclaimed leaders. They will ultimately speak up or they will falter. The order is NOT to be in the existing power structure--but to make your own...
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Old 03-30-2008, 03:39 AM
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Cool

Hilarious!

Barack vs. Hillary...
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