Pregnant Man

[UGAalum94]

Kstar,

I think for some of us, we just don't accept that biological sex is as mutable as the transgender advocacy community is telling us that it's supposed to be.

Just because a person is willing to take sex hormones and perhaps have surgery on his or her original genitals doesn't actually, in the eyes of some and maybe even many, really mean that the "transgendered" person is in any real sense the sex that he or she feels like he or she is in his or her head.

I think a lot of us are willing to go along with the idea that it seems nice and tolerant socially to pretend whatever the transgendered person wants us to and aren't going to freak out about which bathroom a person uses, but it doesn't really mean that we really accept it at any kind of deep level. We wouldn't set him or her up with family members to date or date him or her ourselves, for instance, because we don't really believe that they are really what they've been "reassigned" to.

Just like so many threads in this forum, there's a great South Park episode or two on this topic. I'm primarily thinking of one in which one of the kids gets racial reassignment surgery.

[AKA_Monet]

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

I think for some of us, we just don't accept that biological sex is as mutable as the transgender advocacy community is telling us that it's supposed to be.

From my advanced molecular genetics classes that included molecular developmental and genetics:

Mostly all human zygotes (after the egg is fertilized by the sperm) before the 8 celled stage (~48 hours) prior to uterine implantation, is "non-sexual" having no sex organs. It is thought, but has not been proven, that a powerful genetic rearrangement occurs at some point causing one of the X chromosomes to become a Y chromosome. I think recently, they have found 1-2 genes that regulate that process and it is epigenetic.

It is testicular formation that makes a male. NOT penile formation. The genes that make the penis are on other chromosomes, not the sex chromosomes.

Even in completely impoverished, malnourished conditions, the segregation of gender at least as the genetic level is maintained. For the areas that there are gross births of pseudo-hermaphrodites, are areas that have chemical environmental hazards, namely lead or PCB's--really nasty crap where babies are born with cyclopia and 8 legs...

This woman-turned-man did not have her female insides surgically removed. She kept her ovaries, oviducts and uterus--the key organs genetically that mandate a female and is strongly regulated by estrogen and progesterone with the hypothalums-pituitary axis. Shutdown with testosterone will only cause facial hair growth or hirusitism, and some features of a man, smaller breast size, and thigh stature, with pelvic movement.

If anything, I would be concerned with fetal health, brain development and behavior as one grows up. If female, it might not be a big deal--except it's fugly... If male, I don't know his package may be limited...

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

From my advanced molecular genetics classes that included molecular developmental and genetics:

Mostly all human zygotes (after the egg is fertilized by the sperm) before the 8 celled stage (~48 hours) prior to uterine implantation, is "non-sexual" having no sex organs. It is thought, but has not been proven, that a powerful genetic rearrangement occurs at some point causing one of the X chromosomes to become a Y chromosome. I think recently, they have found 1-2 genes that regulate that process and it is epigenetic.

It is testicular formation that makes a male. NOT penile formation. The genes that make the penis are on other chromosomes, not the sex chromosomes.

Even in completely impoverished, malnourished conditions, the segregation of gender at least as the genetic level is maintained. For the areas that there are gross births of pseudo-hermaphrodites, are areas that have chemical environmental hazards, namely lead or PCB's--really nasty crap where babies are born with cyclopia and 8 legs...

This woman-turned-man did not have her female insides surgically removed. She kept her ovaries, oviducts and uterus--the key organs genetically that mandate a female and is strongly regulated by estrogen and progesterone with the hypothalums-pituitary axis. Shutdown with testosterone will only cause facial hair growth or hirusitism, and some features of a man, smaller breast size, and thigh stature, with pelvic movement.

If anything, I would be concerned with fetal health, brain development and behavior as one grows up. If female, it might not be a big deal--except it's fugly... If male, I don't know his package may be limited...

I was really thinking about sex being pretty much set by the time you are born, but it's interesting to know what happens in utero in this regard.