vaccinate your kids, or else!!

[cheerfulgreek]

I agree, parents should have the right to make that decision, but only if their child doesn't have a strong enough immune system. There have been some cases of this. I think there are risks for having neurological problems, but like it was stated above, the risks are low.

I don't think vaccines are the end all be all though. Viruses can eventually become immune to the vaccine. I'm not an expert on human health, but I know animals to some degree, (I still have 3-4 more years of school left) and animals and humans are similar in some ways (why do you think mice are experimented on). Like in cats for example. I don't know all of the vaccines used for cats as of yet, but I do know that there are several types of vaccines in use. Unfortunately they don't always work, which can sometimes be the case in human beings too. Sometimes it can be due to improper handling and storage, incorrect administration, or an inability of the cat to respond to the vaccine because of a run-down condition or concurrent illness that stress the immune system.

If given too many vaccines at the same time or too frequently, it can cause an immune system overload and a failure to produce antibodies. Also, we have to remember that in humans and animals, if already infected, vaccinating him/her will not alter the course of the disease.
I'm sure this is similar in people, though I could be wrong but when stretching out the vaccine by dividing a single dose between two cats, is another reason a vaccine may not be effective.

[AKA_Monet]

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

I don't think vaccines are the end all be all though. Viruses can eventually become immune to the vaccine. I'm not an expert on human health, but I know animals to some degree, (I still have 3-4 more years of school left) and animals and humans are similar in some ways (why do you think mice are experimented on). Like in cats for example. I don't know all of the vaccines used for cats as of yet, but I do know that there are several types of vaccines in use. Unfortunately they don't always work, which can sometimes be the case in human beings too. Sometimes it can be due to improper handling and storage, incorrect administration, or an inability of the cat to respond to the vaccine because of a run-down condition or concurrent illness that stress the immune system.

If given too many vaccines at the same time or too frequently, it can cause an immune system overload and a failure to produce antibodies. Also, we have to remember that in humans and animals, if already infected, vaccinating him/her will not alter the course of the disease.
I'm sure this is similar in people, though I could be wrong but when stretching out the vaccine by dividing a single dose between two cats, is another reason a vaccine may not be effective.

Remember viruses are not live independent organisms. They do not have immune systems. What happens is they mutate virion stage before shedding. For HIV and many other lenteviruses, the reverse transcriptase is a infidelity enzyme and fails to keep normal code stick inosines rather than A/U's at the sequence. That is why the genetic sequence is mutated in HIV. The infectiousness of HIV is thought to be mandated by the gp130, the main protein that binds the CD4+ cells--apparently at the TCR for T-cells or APC binding site in Macrophages.

And children's immunity is boosted upon injection. It is different when the ACTUAL vaccination agent is causing the problem (which is highly unlikely) and the nonactive ingredients, such as over-sulfated chondroitin--which causes more problems than needed.

[cheerfulgreek]

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

Remember viruses are not live independent organisms. They do not have immune systems. What happens is they mutate virion stage before shedding. For HIV and many other lenteviruses, the reverse transcriptase is a infidelity enzyme and fails to keep normal code stick inosines rather than A/U's at the sequence. That is why the genetic sequence is mutated in HIV. The infectiousness of HIV is thought to be mandated by the gp130, the main protein that binds the CD4+ cells--apparently at the TCR for T-cells or APC binding site in Macrophages.

And children's immunity is boosted upon injection. It is different when the ACTUAL vaccination agent is causing the problem (which is highly unlikely) and the nonactive ingredients, such as over-sulfated chondroitin--which causes more problems than needed.

I agree, as far as we know, they don't have immune systems but they are living. The problem with HIV is it mutates more rapidly than other viruses, which makes it one of the biggest obstacles to a successful vaccine. One thing about it though, is it's genetic material is prone to errors during duplication and replicating HIV molecules frequently exchange pieces of genes. Because of this, instability and the potentially rapid life cycle of the virus, the genetic sequences of HIV particles in a single person can actually be as diverse as those of all the influenza viruses worldwide. You have to remember, a vaccine that produces an immune response against one HIV sequence may have no effect on other strands.

What would be great if there were one vaccine that contained ingredients to prevent or slow down all viruses. I know in animals there are some medications that can be prescribed for a certain parasite, while at the same time preventing others. Like Epsiprantel for example has no effect on ascarids or hookworms, but it kills tapeworms. On the other hand Fenbendazole is good for getting rid of ascarids, hookworms, and tapeworms and also works great for treating giardia. Milbemycin oxime treats all the parasites I've listed but has no effect on tapeworms, but works great at killing heartworms. But even the medications that work great at treating more than what they're prescribed to treat, still do not treat everything.