vaccinate your kids, or else!!

[nittanyalum]

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

NBC has a presentation
Quote:

Opting out of measles vaccines

March 24: Nine of 12 in San Diego children recently diagnosed with measles were discovered to have opted out of the vaccine, sparking a new debate over a potential public health threat. NBC's Rehema Ellis reports.

I take just one issue with the above -- the children didn't opt themselves out of the vaccines, their flipping parents did. I'm sure the kids would much prefer not to have gotten that sick if THEY were able to avoid it.

[AKA_Monet]

Originally Posted by nittanyalum

I take just one issue with the above -- the children didn't opt themselves out of the vaccines, their flipping parents did. I'm sure the kids would much prefer not to have gotten that sick if THEY were able to avoid it.

I know!!! That is what is scary about this situation... 18/21 kids in San Diego that got the measles did not get the vaccine!!!

These diseases mutate!!! That is why we vaccinate. It is possible that the crap in the inactive ingredients are bogus... The actually vaccine, active ingredients are fine... I would put an immediate standard and say that all ingredients in the vaccine have to be 99.9% pure.

[cheerfulgreek]

Vaccines are important and, yes viruses do mutate, but sometimes the vaccines can cause problems in some children. A lot of times children don't have a strong enough immune system to fight off some of the ingredients used to make up the vaccines, which can cause neurological problems.

[ISUKappa]

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

Vaccines are important because, yes they do mutate, but sometimes they can cause problems in some children, because a lot of times children don't have a strong enough immune system to fight off some of the ingredients used to make up the vaccines, which can cause neurological problems.

Holy run-on sentence batman.

Yes, some may have a reaction, but that percentage is small. Genetics is a tricky thing. Do you take the risk of potentially having a reaction and get the vax or do you decide to not vax and possibly allow more serious reactions from a case of measles? It's a hard call, but medicine has shown, for the general population, the benefits of vaxes far outweigh the potential risks.

I think each parent needs to do the research and decide for themselves what is best for their child, but also take into consideration the general population as well and understand if they don't vax there's a risk.

I know some people who SAH have declined or decided to delay some vaxes because their children aren't in daycares and aren't exposed to as many things. I know others who have decided to spread out or delay other vaxes for personal reasons. The kiddo just got his MMR and Varicella shots at his 2Y checkup a few weeks ago. I pondered whether to wait a bit longer or to just get them, but considering the fact he was switching to a daycare center, we decided to just go ahead and get them. Knock on wood, he's been fine.

[cheerfulgreek]

Originally Posted by ISUKappa

Holy run-on sentence batman.

lol wow, it really was, wasn't it. Geez.

[texas*princess]

sorry but i have a problem with people who are OK putting the general public at risk because they don't think their child should get a vaccination.

[AKA_Monet]

Originally Posted by ISUKappa

The kiddo just got his MMR and Varicella shots at his 2Y checkup a few weeks ago. I pondered whether to wait a bit longer or to just get them, but considering the fact he was switching to a daycare center, we decided to just go ahead and get them. Knock on wood, he's been fine.

I really hope that your son will be excellent as he grows up!!!

I also think that since the Big Pharma shipped our manufacturing of medical products to less than altruistic venues, that there needs to be SOMETHING to protect consumers. One too many drugs are coming up adulterated--like the Heparin scandal. So, it does not seem far fetched that the non-active ingredients were tainted in vax. How do we protect ourselves? I am not a public health person... I dunno?

[SWTXBelle]

I think parents should have the right to decide whether or not to vaccinate their children.

I also think that schools and other groups should have the right to prevent these children from becoming part of the group and endangering other children.

Life as a parent means making many, many difficult choices. Your choice to not vaccinate your child should not mean that my child is then endangered. Make your choice, but live with the consequences.

[cheerfulgreek]

I agree, parents should have the right to make that decision, but only if their child doesn't have a strong enough immune system. There have been some cases of this. I think there are risks for having neurological problems, but like it was stated above, the risks are low.

I don't think vaccines are the end all be all though. Viruses can eventually become immune to the vaccine. I'm not an expert on human health, but I know animals to some degree, (I still have 3-4 more years of school left) and animals and humans are similar in some ways (why do you think mice are experimented on). Like in cats for example. I don't know all of the vaccines used for cats as of yet, but I do know that there are several types of vaccines in use. Unfortunately they don't always work, which can sometimes be the case in human beings too. Sometimes it can be due to improper handling and storage, incorrect administration, or an inability of the cat to respond to the vaccine because of a run-down condition or concurrent illness that stress the immune system.

If given too many vaccines at the same time or too frequently, it can cause an immune system overload and a failure to produce antibodies. Also, we have to remember that in humans and animals, if already infected, vaccinating him/her will not alter the course of the disease.
I'm sure this is similar in people, though I could be wrong but when stretching out the vaccine by dividing a single dose between two cats, is another reason a vaccine may not be effective.

[kstar]

Originally Posted by SWTXBelle

I think parents should have the right to decide whether or not to vaccinate their children.

I also think that schools and other groups should have the right to prevent these children from becoming part of the group and endangering other children.

Life as a parent means making many, many difficult choices. Your choice to not vaccinate your child should not mean that my child is then endangered. Make your choice, but live with the consequences.

In addition, I think that parents that choose to not vaccinate their children should be held legally liable if that child infects someone else, just like I would be held legally liable for an unvaccinated dog.

[AKA_Monet]

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

Vaccines are important and, yes they do mutate, but sometimes they can cause problems in some children. A lot of times children don't have a strong enough immune system to fight off some of the ingredients used to make up the vaccines, which can cause neurological problems.

Sweetheart, I did not intend to mislead you, however I meant the viruses. NOT the vaccines. I do not think that has EVER been shown! Viruses we all know mutate at a drop of a hat...

When one chooses to NOT vaccinate, AND catch the illness there is a very high probability that it will mutate into a form that cannot be vaccinated against.

HIV is definitely like that... HSV can possibly do that... Some of the HPV strains are thought to do that although the data is sketchy. Measles hasn't been shown to do that, but it has never been tested. Influenza is known to mutate rapidly like wildfire. Malaria is thought to do that, that is why it is tough to treat. Tuberculosis--although a bacterium is thought to do that. And chicken pox, maybe small pox and especially monkey pox can mutate, but not as fast as others.

Now, I dunno about immunity being poor in the children at the time of vax... But immunity is mandated by the mother's milk and if it is nutrient poor, which it usually is, there are issues of have an appropriate immune reaction...

[cheerfulgreek]

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

Sweetheart, I did not intend to mislead you, however I meant the viruses. NOT the vaccines.

You didn't mislead me, I just made a typo. In one of the "theys", I was referring to the viruses and in the other "they", I was referring to the vaccines. However I fixed it.