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Old 03-12-2008, 10:45 PM
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Welcome to how the law is taught, discussed and learned -- hypothetical.

I think that, absent other facts indicating pressure to drink, you're exactly right.
For hazing is whatever the laws, rules, the policies of the National GLO, the campus, and locality and state of every chapter say it is. Or try to say what it is or is not.

As well as when and how they are enforced.

Just look at the RM section for how many chapters are in trouble just in the past two weeks. And those are just the one's that hit the news.

I have seen comments along the line of "how can I/we know what it is since the rules are unclear". Read your National policy, your school's Code of conduct et al.
I still think that these comments makes the most sense of a very messed up situation:
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"1. If you have to ask if it's hazing, it is.
2. If in doubt, call your advisor/coach/national office. If you won't pick up the phone, you have your answer. Don't B.S. yourself.
3. If you haze, you have low self-esteem.
4. If you allow hazing to occur, you are a 'hazing enabler.'
5. Failure to stop hazing will result in death..."


Myth: The definition is so vague that anything can be considered hazing - it's really open to interpretation.
Reality: Read the definition and then ask yourself the following questions:
  • Does the activity involve mental distress such as humiliation or intimidation?
  • Does it involve physical abuse (e.g., sleep deprivation)?
  • Is there a significant risk of injury or a question of safety?
  • Would you have any reservations describing the activity to your parents or a university official?
  • Is alcohol involved?
  • Would you be worried if the activity was shown on the evening news?
If the answer to any of the above questions is "Yes," the activity is probably hazing.


Hazing is - Any action taken or situation created intentionally:
  • that causes embarrassment, harassment or ridicule
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    risks emotional and/or physical harm
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    to members of an organization or team
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    whether new or not
  • regardless of the person's willingness to participate
Still confused? Ask yourself these questions:
  • Would I feel comfortable participating in this activity if my parents were watching?
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    Would we get in trouble if the Dean of Students walked by?
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    Am I being asked to keep these activities a secret?
    Am I doing anything illegal?
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    Does participation violate my values or those of my organization?
  • Is it causing emotional distress or stress of any kind to myself or others?
HOW TO RECOGNIZE HAZING

HAZING is any action or situation, with or without the consent of the participants, which recklessly, intentionally, or unintentionally endangers the mental, physical, or academic heath or safety of a student.
This includes, but is not limited to any situation which:
• Creates a risk of injury to any individual or group
• Causes discomfort to any individual or group
• Causes embarrassment to any individual or group
• Involves harassment of any individual or group
• Involves degradation of any individual or group
• Involves humiliation of an individual or group
• Involves ridicule of an individual or group
• Involves or includes the willful destruction or removal of public or private property for the purpose of initiation or admission into, affiliation with, or as a condition for continued membership in an organization
It includes physical injury, assault or battery, kidnapping or imprisonment, intentionally placing at risk of mental or emotional harm (putting “over the edge”), degradation, humiliation, the compromising of moral or religious values, forced consumption of any liquid or solid, placing an individual in physical danger (at risk) which includes abandonment, and impairment of physical liberties which include curfews or other interference with academic endeavors.

Line for the shark feeding starts at the right....
Line for in before lock down starts at the left....

Last edited by jon1856; 03-13-2008 at 09:43 AM. Reason: To remove unnecessary snarkiness
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