The 2008 presidential field at-a-glance

Drolefille · #1 03-08-2008, 12:32 PM

Denial is not just a river in Egypt.

jon1856 · #2 03-08-2008, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Drolefille

Denial is not just a river in Egypt.

True, and something else he said on that tape could come back and bit him.
"Private VS. Public conversations".

KAPital PHINUst · #3 03-08-2008, 02:25 PM

Granted, this isn't a YouTube vid or anything from the official campaign website, but until something more definitive comes in, this'll have to do for now:

http://www.victoriaadvocate.com/793/story/207457.html

More to follow as it becomes available.

texas*princess · #4 03-08-2008, 02:29 PM

to be really honest, i don't think anyone really cares about that Paul guy anyway. He has like 19 votes.

It's mathematically impossible for him to be the Republican candidate. And W. already gave his seal of approval for McCain anyway.

Just sayin'.

KAPital PHINUst · #5 03-08-2008, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by texas*princess

to be really honest, i don't think anyone really cares about that Paul guy anyway.

If that was the case, then why is the MSM and the GOP fighting tooth and nail to keep him from getting the nomination? And yes, they have been fighting HARD.

KSig RC · #6 03-08-2008, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by KAPital PHINUst

If that was the case, then why is the MSM and the GOP fighting tooth and nail to keep him from getting the nomination? And yes, they have been fighting HARD.

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Grounds: Speculation, Begging the question, assumes facts not in evidence, lack of personal or professional knowledge, and unfounded appeal to authority.

KAPital PHINUst · #7 03-08-2008, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by KSig RC

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Grounds: Speculation, Begging the question, assumes facts not in evidence, lack of personal or professional knowledge, and unfounded appeal to authority.

*LOL*

SHEEEEEYYOUUUUTTTTT!!! (read: shoot).

You wish.

SWTXBelle · #8 03-08-2008, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by texas*princess

to be really honest, i don't think anyone really cares about that Paul guy anyway. He has like 19 votes.

It's mathematically impossible for him to be the Republican candidate. And W. already gave his seal of approval for McCain anyway.

Just sayin'.

Speaking as one of the 19 votes he has, I care. I care because I think McCain is evvvvvvvillllllllll. OH - and W. giving the seal of approval? If that doesn't scare you, I don't know what could!

Not that I wish anyone ill, but should Jesus decide to take McCain to His bosom - I'd be okay with that!

KAPital PHINUst · #9 03-08-2008, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by SWTXBelle

Speaking as one of the 19 votes he has, I care. I care because I think McCain is evvvvvvvillllllllll. OH - and W. giving the seal of approval? If that doesn't scare you, I don't know what could!

My feelings exactly! Thank you for speaking up and speaking out for Ron Paul!!

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Originally Posted by SWTXBelle

By election, do you mean electing the nominee at the Republican Convention? Cause I got to tell you - I hate Huckabee almost as much as McCain.
I'm just tired of picking the least objectionable candidate. Even though I disagree with some of Paul's platform, I believe in his integrity in a way I don't believe in anyone else's. I do NOT know what I am going to do if it is McCain vs. Clinton/Obama. Shudder.

Cosign to the Nth degree, especially on voting for the least objectionable candidate. I am sick and tired of voting for a candidate because the MSM thinks I should because of how "popular" they are, irrespective of whether they are serious on the issues, especially ones that I find to be important.

I would much sooner vote for a candidate who while they aren't as popular, I agree with say, 80% of their stance on the issues rather than voting for candidates that I agree with no more than 25-30% of their stances on the issues. If that means I'm a right-wing kook for doing so, so be it.

This clip from a popular 70s sitcom, where they're talking about the '68 presidential election; this could've been set in 2008 and would still be dead on accurate as far as candidates and issues.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FqVRxiE8NA

texas*princess · #10 03-08-2008, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by SWTXBelle

Speaking as one of the 19 votes he has, I care. I care because I think McCain is evvvvvvvillllllllll. OH - and W. giving the seal of approval? If that doesn't scare you, I don't know what could!

I agree -- if I were McCain, I wouldn't want W. touching me with a 10-ft pole b/c the guy has the lowest approval ratings ever... but I'm sure they did it for the "good of the party" or whatever.

Paul is crazier than McCain... I think I'd take McCain over Paul if I had the choice... lol

SWTXBelle · #11 03-08-2008, 07:51 PM

If Bush and McCain are sane . . . I'll take the crazy man anyday.

AGDee · #12 03-09-2008, 07:54 AM

Florida and Michigan have very different circumstances and should be looked at separately.

Florida: The REPUBLICAN state congress changed the date for the primary and the Dems had no choice. Therefore, the Dems there should not be punished. All of the candidates were on the ballot. Therefore, their delegates should be seated as is.

Michigan: A major cluster you know what. The Michigan Democratic Party (MDP from here on out) was extremely childish with it's "We're tired of Iowa and NH getting all the say so we're going to move ours earlier than them!" crap. Here we are, in March, and nothing is decided among the Dems yet so clearly Iowa and NH didn't get all the say. Because the DNC said that it was an "illegal" primary, Edwards and Obama dropped out off of the ballot and we had this stupid "Uncommitted" category. You cannot count the votes from this election because 1) Many people didn't vote at all since their candidate wasn't on the ballot and 2) You can't count the Uncommitted votes because it's impossible to know who they wanted to vote for. You absolutely cannot assume they all go to Obama because some were clearly intended for Edwards and there is no way to know how many. And then there is 3) Some may have voted for Hillary just because she was the only one with name recognition on the ballot (Gravel was also on the ballot). That doesn't mean they didn't really want Obama. For those reasons, Michigan should have a firehouse caucus at this point, paid for by the MDP because they are the ones who screwed up. It's still not right, because if we had a choice back on Super Tuesday, Edwards was still an option and he's not now.

texas*princess · #13 03-09-2008, 12:11 PM

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Democratic congress has even lower approval ratings.

Well, W. has been in office waaaaay longer than the Democratic Congress has been there, and he's had bad rating since his FIRST TERM...he's had the chance to bring up his rating.. but so far, no dice!

I don't really think he cares if the people like him or not?

DSTCHAOS · #14 03-08-2008, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Drolefille

Denial is not just a river in Egypt.

*snap* And it does not run through my courtoom!

~Judge David Young "Justice, with a snap."

Drolefille · #15 03-08-2008, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

*snap* And it does not run through my courtoom!

~Judge David Young "Justice, with a snap."

Lol.

Let us start frome here: if the GOP really is "trying" to marginalize Ron Paul it's because he doesn't fit with the party's beliefs. If he doesn't fit in with the party's platform, than it is unlikely the party will support him. It is even more unlikely that the GOP, however disappointed the religious conservatives are with McCain, will choose Ron Paul at the Convention when he does not fulfill any of the areas for which McCain is roundly criticized. Ron Paul is opposed to an amendment against abortion, he is opposed to defining marriage constitutionally, he wants to repeal the Bush Tax Cuts, etc. He brings other things to the table but he is not the "Anti-McCain." The only people with incentive to "revolt" at the election are likely to choose Huckabee over any other current candidate.