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[KAPital PHINUst]

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Originally Posted by naraht

11) Where and when the term Viking started use.


The term Viking has been used by members of chapters at HBCUs, I *think* only at all-male chapters at HBCUs to refer to themselves.

Randy

The one thing I am interested in finding out is do Viking brothers at HBCUs consider all-male chapters at non-HBCUs (Auburn, Duquense, U. of Maine, Wabash) Vikings as well, even though they do not subscribe to Viking traditions per se (except for perhaps remaining an all-male chapter).

[jeremypichi]

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Originally Posted by GMUAPhiOAdvisor

The one thing I am interested in finding out is do Viking brothers at HBCUs consider all-male chapters at non-HBCUs (Auburn, Duquense, U. of Maine, Wabash) Vikings as well, even though they do not subscribe to Viking traditions per se (except for perhaps remaining an all-male chapter).

I have talked to a few brothers from HBCUs and they seem to consider Pi Chi a Viking chapter, mainly because of our all-male status. We were never too familiar with Viking chapters until we met some of them at the last Nat'l Convention

[arvid1978]

[QUOTE=KAPital PHINUst;1609329][quote=naraht;1609312]

Originally Posted by GMUAPhiOAdvisor

The one thing I am interested in finding out is do Viking brothers at HBCUs consider all-male chapters at non-HBCUs (Auburn, Duquense, U. of Maine, Wabash) Vikings as well, even though they do not subscribe to Viking traditions per se (except for perhaps remaining an all-male chapter).

Wabash is not exactly an all-male chapter. They are on an all-male campus, but have a female advisor. Even prior to that, they were most certainly not a Viking chapter by any means. Neither was the chapter at Rose-Hulman prior to the campus going co-ed.

[naraht]

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Originally Posted by naraht

Wabash is not exactly an all-male chapter. They are on an all-male campus, but have a female advisor. Even prior to that, they were most certainly not a Viking chapter by any means. Neither was the chapter at Rose-Hulman prior to the campus going co-ed.

I did a Google search on them and one article (http://www.wabash.edu/news/displayst...m?news_ID=3520) said they had been advised for the last 20 years by Terri Fyffe and Larry Frye. I found another article that clearly showed Terri as a woman (http://bachelor.wabash.edu/issues/2003s/issue6.pdf). I've heard a Region VI staff member describe them as a co-ed chapter that just doesn't happen to have any female brothers.

Of the Regions that currently have no all-male chapters at co-ed schools (AMC@CS) (III,VI,VIII,&X/XI), I know where the last was in two of these, III (Morgan State-Mu Gamma) and VIII (Parks College of SLU-Theta Xi). I have no idea where the last AMC@CS was in either VI or X/XI (XI has never had one, the last AMC@CS in Region X predates the X/XI split by at least a decade). I'm not counting Rose Hulman for VI even though there was one year (semester?) when they fit that definition. There were only something like 6 women taking classes there and they lived in dorms at another college.

[arvid1978]

Originally Posted by naraht

I did a Google search on them and one article (http://www.wabash.edu/news/displayst...m?news_ID=3520) said they had been advised for the last 20 years by Terri Fyffe and Larry Frye. I found another article that clearly showed Terri as a woman (http://bachelor.wabash.edu/issues/2003s/issue6.pdf). I've heard a Region VI staff member describe them as a co-ed chapter that just doesn't happen to have any female brothers.

That's a fairly accurate description of them, I think.

Originally Posted by naraht

Of the Regions that currently have no all-male chapters at co-ed schools (AMC@CS) (III,VI,VIII,&X/XI), I know where the last was in two of these, III (Morgan State-Mu Gamma) and VIII (Parks College of SLU-Theta Xi). I have no idea where the last AMC@CS was in either VI or X/XI (XI has never had one, the last AMC@CS in Region X predates the X/XI split by at least a decade). I'm not counting Rose Hulman for VI even though there was one year (semester?) when they fit that definition. There were only something like 6 women taking classes there and they lived in dorms at another college.

I wouldn't count Tau Lambda (Rose-Hulman) either, as it wasn't single-gender by choice. I honestly do not know how long it took our chapters to go co-ed. I'm confident in saying that most of Illinois (at the time) went co-ed right away, if they weren't already jumping the gun. I'd assume Indiana, with it's large number of inactive chapters, probably did "co-ed or die". No idea about Michigan, though.

[naraht]

Originally Posted by arvid1978

I wouldn't count Tau Lambda (Rose-Hulman) either, as it wasn't single-gender by choice. I honestly do not know how long it took our chapters to go co-ed. I'm confident in saying that most of Illinois (at the time) went co-ed right away, if they weren't already jumping the gun. I'd assume Indiana, with it's large number of inactive chapters, probably did "co-ed or die". No idea about Michigan, though.

From what I understand Tau Lambda asked the RD whether they needed to go co-ed as soon as the school did and were *specifically* told they didn't have to get one of the first six women who were students and that it probably wasn't a good idea if they tried. They however did get one of the next group of women (~20) on campus.

I don't think any of the Regions really tried for co-ed or die at any time prior to 2006...

Randy

[arvid1978]

Originally Posted by naraht

I don't think any of the Regions really tried for co-ed or die at any time prior to 2006...

No, I'm not saying they were directed to go co-ed or die, I'm just guessing that the chapters in Indiana that didn't go co-ed all died out, because up until recently they were down to, what 7-8 chapters in the state out of 16 or so charters total?

[naraht]

Originally Posted by arvid1978

No, I'm not saying they were directed to go co-ed or die, I'm just guessing that the chapters in Indiana that didn't go co-ed all died out, because up until recently they were down to, what 7-8 chapters in the state out of 16 or so charters total?

Well, that is about the average for the Fraternity, we only have about half of our charters active.