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If I may jump in here for just a second. I pledged hard in 2000 and I must say there is mass hate for members that did not truly pledge in the sense of the word. But there are members who pledged but did not get their paper. The Pan never wants to talk about those members. I pledged ALPHA although my my is a Que and my mother is a Delta. We feel that the new MIP is a joke, because hazing still goes on everyday at one chapter or another it's just not patroled.
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